From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: official Emacs Docker image Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 10:41:16 -0400 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87inw9wqgj.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <831tbxn5id.fsf@gnu.org> <87oaf1bvsb.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87mvukq7gd.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> <877fcyg5ah.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87h9c0b6bd.fsf@lifelogs.com> <878txa9zvx.fsf@lifelogs.com> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1468420921 27013 80.91.229.3 (13 Jul 2016 14:42:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 14:42:01 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 13 16:41:54 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bNLMI-0001H2-D5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 16:41:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48139 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bNLMH-0004Sr-Pa for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 10:41:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49974) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bNLM6-0004Qk-Ui for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 10:41:43 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bNLM2-00066T-Ks for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 10:41:41 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:47947) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bNLM2-00066N-EC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 10:41:38 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bNLM0-00016A-RB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 16:41:37 +0200 Original-Received: from c-98-229-60-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([98.229.60.157]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 16:41:36 +0200 Original-Received: from tzz by c-98-229-60-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 16:41:36 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 35 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-98-229-60-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:ryX473N6qPR+LEnI7EwdJLhJsYE= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:205635 Archived-At: On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 15:45:57 -0700 John Wiegley wrote: >>>>>> "TZ" == Ted Zlatanov writes: TZ> Docker Inc., who runs the Docker Hub. They essentially own the top TZ> namespace, so pulling "ubuntu" gets the official Ubuntu image, while TZ> "rms/ubuntu" is under the "rms" (usually a user name) namespace. JW> Wouldn't the "official" Docker image for Emacs be some "official" base OS, JW> such as debian:wheezy, and then the current Emacs release tarball built with JW> default options upon that base? It's a package from the user's viewpoint. Package maintenance is more involved than just installing a tarball. Docker Inc. provides security scans, automated builds, testing, and some user support for official images. JW> I say this because there are already "official" versions of Ubuntu and Emacs, JW> released on their respective websites, and Docker is just combining them into JW> another delivery form. Since they don't add or change anything about the code JW> being deployed, the officialness of Emacs running in a container should be JW> transitively determined by where its sources came from. JW> In all of this the FSF needn't be involved, except to be sure that whoever is JW> packaging these Emacs containers isn't adding or changing anything from what JW> is released on ftp.gnu.org. When you get the official "nginx" Docker image, you are usually not aware (unless you dig) that it has other GNU or generally free/non-free software. The software you run is hidden. Often there are many people packaging the same software in different ways for different purposes. That's why I suggested official Docker images with FSF/GNU branding might be good for Docker users, if only to present a consistently free package. Ted