From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord)
To: "Óscar Fuentes" <ofv@wanadoo.es>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Bloat in the Emacs Windows package
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 22:04:41 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87imv521li.fsf@russet.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <878sw6qgbb.fsf@telefonica.net> ("Óscar Fuentes"'s message of "Fri, 19 Apr 2019 15:23:52 +0200")
Óscar Fuentes <ofv@wanadoo.es> writes:
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> Of course. But those situations need special-purpose packages, and
>> each one of those will need a volunteer dedicated to produce and
>> support it. The popular demand clearly shifted to having the
>> comprehensive packages with everything included.
>>
>> Feel free to volunteer to produce a bare-minimum Emacs package for
>> such situation.
>
> We have the no-deps package, but with dozens of MB of debug info and a
> duplicated large binary. I doubt this benefits 0.1% of the Emacs user
> base. And that benefit is just a minor convenience for them.
I made the no-deps package to address your use case -- when you have the
dependencies already. Size was not my primary concern.
> OTOH, the bigger the file to download, the less people will get it.
> People that will use something else. For a political (or social, if you
> prefer) project as GNU/Emacs, this is not acceptable when you can
> significantly reduce the download with a few trivial changes (1).
>
> I live on Western Europe and know plenty of people who access the
> Internet through metered and/or slow connections.
>
> And then we have the issue with general bloat in IT and the associated
> waste. I feel morally obligued to not contribute to that waste.
I agree that this is morally correct; but then so is producing free
software which is competitive with non-free software. I do not believe
that an Emacs incapable of loading jpgs or using its own package manager
securely fulfils that objective.
> 1. Using a better compression method, such as 7z, probably will reduce
> the download significantly.
Yes, and this is why the Emacs-27.exe installer uses lzma. It is,
indeed, smaller with deps than the zip version without. But, I missed
the emacs-26 branch.
Phil
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-04-22 21:04 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-04-17 5:01 Bloat in the Emacs Windows package Björn Lindqvist
2019-04-17 7:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-17 11:15 ` Van L
2019-04-17 11:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-17 12:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-04-17 14:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-17 16:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-18 22:02 ` Björn Lindqvist
2019-04-19 7:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-17 17:26 ` Phillip Lord
2019-04-17 17:55 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-04-19 0:02 ` Björn Lindqvist
2019-04-19 7:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-19 13:23 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-04-22 21:04 ` Phillip Lord [this message]
2019-04-22 21:41 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-04-17 13:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-04-17 16:19 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-04-17 17:28 ` Phillip Lord
2019-04-17 15:07 ` Björn Lindqvist
2019-04-17 16:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-18 23:44 ` Björn Lindqvist
2019-04-19 7:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-19 14:17 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-04-19 15:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-22 20:55 ` Phillip Lord
2019-04-17 17:39 ` Phillip Lord
2019-04-17 18:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-04-17 18:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-18 16:05 ` Phillip Lord
2019-04-18 19:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-18 21:19 ` Phillip Lord
2019-04-18 23:12 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-04-19 6:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-22 20:40 ` Phillip Lord
2019-04-23 2:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-04-23 10:01 ` Phillip Lord
2019-04-23 11:28 ` Robert Pluim
2019-04-23 21:49 ` Phillip Lord
2019-04-26 16:30 ` Phillip Lord
2019-04-26 17:04 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-04-26 21:41 ` Phillip Lord
2019-04-27 18:12 ` Björn Lindqvist
2019-04-27 18:17 ` Phillip Lord
2019-05-03 1:06 ` Björn Lindqvist
2019-05-03 6:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-03 18:38 ` Björn Lindqvist
2019-05-03 18:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-03 20:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-04-23 5:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-17 15:44 ` Phillip Lord
2019-04-17 16:25 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-04-17 16:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-18 16:00 ` Phillip Lord
2019-04-18 15:56 ` Phillip Lord
2019-04-18 16:39 ` Óscar Fuentes
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