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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255437 Archived-At: Alfred M. Szmidt writes: > Thank you, but I am not entierly sure what I am looking at -- the > Emacs you are showing is not from 1985. What does the percentage > mean? Ah yes, a bit remiss of me not to state the format for my lablings: Editor --- Year of initial release (Stackoverflow 2019 survey, editor popularity) Screenshot of editor with default theme (trying for current) > All of those look similar to me, other than black/light background > when it comes to color selection. There is I think very little > commonality between the edtiors in general in what they show. There are indeed many commonalities. However there are a few that Emacs doesn't share --- namely: dark default, bluey tones, line numbers, and a status bar that matches the background (in terms of background colour). Hmm, and also iconography on the status bar. > This doesn't seem to be a default Emacs screenshot? The menu-bar is > different. For that I ran emacs -Q and took a screenshot. > I did some basic analysis with R (the language is a pain, but it's well > suited for quick stuff like this). > > * Basic editor theme comparison > > Emacs doeesn't seem to be listed? No, as I took your question to be "what are other editors doing?". Is this correct? > All the modes you show are programming modes, Emacs is more often than > not used in other context so things like line-number-mode do not make > much sense, like in the splash screen. > > Emacs doesn't treat everything as a nail. Indeed! I love how Emacs now serves me as a common interface to a variety of tasks, but the most frequent of those is as a code editor, and I imagine it's code editing that brings most people to Emacs. The only equivalent application to Emacs is ... Emacs (AFAIK), which isn't terribly helpful for comparing and contrasting visual styles :P I hope that helps, Timothy. p.s. for another weighting, I could also ask some friends (Under-25, non-Emacsers) to rank these sample screenshots by aesthetic appeal. Just a thought.