From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Philip K." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A proposal for a friendlier Emacs Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 17:50:08 +0200 Message-ID: <87imc9n4un.fsf@posteo.net> References: <4be18b5f-dc07-2703-a2de-1ed08916ebdf@gmail.com> <3774c435-60d6-a958-77d1-a831599c85c5@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="13645"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (gnu/linux) Cc: Nicola Manca , "Alfred M. Szmidt" , Stefan Kangas , emacs-devel To: Thibaut Verron Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 19 17:52:03 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kJf9e-0003Qc-GN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 19 Sep 2020 17:52:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42520 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kJf9d-0007sJ-Ht for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 19 Sep 2020 11:52:01 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49362) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kJf7w-0006PD-Rs for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Sep 2020 11:50:16 -0400 Original-Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:50031) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kJf7u-000662-Mu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Sep 2020 11:50:16 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 39029160060 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2020 17:50:10 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1600530610; bh=cPwrPjcSY84Kjh2AmqETZ7g5BstmPQlobBCpA/Aljcg=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=N1+QWn1Bk8Er4a1mUjZCbvpOxpUj2WKqFsO4L+SrWGr/gPFe5eSEWq2zBLkjcIzjd Lv8e1FBdRwoBdp6Vnpy4GdfXU2YidemfQyryqnhkFEEsZ+F0KHn3ssmwN9zOChKmat ExWEZGq3XhHtmbLQ/SGWbiQUUrfGk//lBgNtoP12YxNxsjqMh1GzxtWnKnu+hoYvu3 wSQEqnTzFj3rTD54zeBYPe9jCyEN6IrmCo7oXfcWgJkYX7i3F/lsjbkSDVGlLecOOx SmUqkYPjdwYPpXAFVCzk4caoT1OEUpVq4Zzca829jYLJhd/3vQurVbtRbk89T+iQoy 8IGikeG1jmOyQ== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4BtwBn1SWZz6tmS; Sat, 19 Sep 2020 17:50:09 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Thibaut Verron's message of "Fri, 18 Sep 2020 20:59:19 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.65; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout01.posteo.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/19 11:50:10 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:256189 Archived-At: Thibaut Verron writes: > Le ven. 18 sept. 2020 =C3=A0 20:26, Alfred M. Szmidt a =C3= =A9crit : >> >> > On first start, the wizard would offer the option to create an e= mpty >> > .emacs and never bother you again. >> > >> > The issue is that it would bother you on first start, at all. >> >> On balance this a good thing, IMO. And if you disagree, it will only >> bother you once. >> >> No, it will bother _each_ and _every_ time I start a new Emacs where I >> have not done so previously. That is a fairly common situation, both >> for new users, but also for experienced users who are the majority of >> Emacs users. >> >> Lets not make Emacs annoying to use, OK? > > I, for one, would be happy to have a one-click option to set a bunch > of reasonable defaults whenever I start Emacs on a new device. I've seen new users keep the splash screen open all the time they are using Emacs, not bothering to close it (mostly because they open it via their graphical file manager or something along those lines). Additionally having a wizard pop up would use even more screen space, and is probably not what we want. --=20 Philip K.