From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Philip K." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal for an Emacs User Survey Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2020 11:36:17 +0200 Message-ID: <87imbia0dq.fsf@posteo.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="12094"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: abrochard@gmx.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 10 11:36:57 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kRBJA-00034R-LF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 10 Oct 2020 11:36:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35622 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRBJ9-0004OB-L2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 10 Oct 2020 05:36:55 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58088) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRBIe-0003ym-BH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Oct 2020 05:36:24 -0400 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:36499) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRBIb-0000zU-DV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Oct 2020 05:36:24 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EE5B62400FD for ; Sat, 10 Oct 2020 11:36:18 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1602322579; bh=i7zlChHOhKmExYm25OQaw7eIXYtXH9pb/AiS6GVzFrc=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=rmTtQFOwgS2PbfwF9McdwyKkrKAdhnKjXN6B6QsNBabeZW72zMU7RG5VchGN3AphX UOxuyXFysg8kzXgWLrpGhKlln6S49Av2cBiGaeKRig9y+K2XD/ydyk4zA5+gEcDPUa Q2uKf8hLGufenLSqm6tDmlM/vPLm8yxym+x61NxlJBb2WCa5Ea/LqyEn8yTfB8CdBN eV1EJYa9FXkFWCRn17yfnJ7abFmOUsI3G7E0cMBZ/vpIsFVC8z7TOUpFjlJ9MTpgLz kOQ0VN6A8PHF2W1aSeFt/WZTwa1Nln0LNdy0PwCMFXLJe7rHjLb8Xf5NwYB7F4xan5 hEhdFfs93RFdA== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4C7fvk2sQyz6tmP; Sat, 10 Oct 2020 11:36:18 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Fri, 09 Oct 2020 23:56:00 -0400) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/10 04:53:10 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257310 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > The most obvious reason to me is that user error handling is pretty > > poor. Because there is no JS, we cannot offer front-end validation, that > > means that the backend server is responsible for validating fields > > submitted. > > If we want to learn what users think, we should not limit their > responses to a small set of 'valid" possible answers. The plan > I designed for inquiries asks users to answer in their own words. But wouldn't that make it needlessly hard to analyse the results, especially if the question should be numerically quantified? I get the value of plain text responses, but recognizing that the answer to the question "how long have you been using emacs", could result in: - "Since 1996" - "24 Years" - "January 1996" - "Around the second time Clinton got sworn into office" - "1896" (but actually a typo) All of these basically mean the same, but the effort to recognize this automatically (which would be necessary, if you want to see how factors correlate) would not be worth it. -- Philip K.