From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Would you say this information window is well designed? Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 22:57:10 +0100 Message-ID: <87im6jepft.fsf@gnus.org> References: <83sg5oueex.fsf@gnu.org> <83o8gbvr4m.fsf@gnu.org> <84e3f5ab-436e-c0ea-39f1-2466f3227910@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="21589"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: laszlomail@protonmail.com, Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 22 22:58:35 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lEJDs-0005Rs-LP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 22:58:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45838 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lEJDr-0003kD-Mn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 16:58:31 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37100) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lEJCq-0002vY-5s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 16:57:28 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2]:42256) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lEJCo-0003g3-IS; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 16:57:27 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=8dUfkN8jiESCrQ87uSnajfNnug11XqOjNwNfLyr2I0k=; b=ICe0+L2KgB4o5uOgN2WFfCnWP9 ChxVlARXXnFfWWHg7CEskKVB7zUBPDxivpFwqSjc8Ue4qCDlMx3DZWzTLJNcxlArvVWLgrXS6d9ve O4dsVRw3lq6PoXPpUuETPpSbADQAjrTzZmr/UjtxiVXW5TKtEmVCTDCIbn35fS/kBWuo=; Original-Received: from cm-84.212.220.105.getinternet.no ([84.212.220.105] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lEJCe-0000rH-LG; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 22:57:22 +0100 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAFVBMVEX+/v3OvJnt5tC3 hFsYEBFYRkT///9urv4PAAAAAWJLR0QGYWa4fQAAAAd0SU1FB+UCFhU1Ovs/AS0AAAGwSURBVDjL rZJbkuIwDEUDs4GWTf6Ju/gf43gBaaQFQKz9b2Wu7LyY/kVVVFKcXOnq0XUfjBPRQAE/hGsPcgb+ SOk1q0+Ie7JHTHcDZygCUQiBXLiaOISvBiJRyimRT45GnuPQUlUwWCLIVJlnWoFVnDuw+4lZZN4V wXv7zscbIx7vALlDuBUAoQOwL2Wmm1dhcVuN8M01pp58Pigo3Bp4pTkZcBvoF0AEv4/f4D54KOIO XF5BSllpr2FA4NRhhPlxAJTQ1sgMT2l87iAS+pgAgk9annQYYqpAeoUpEX1uqUxRWLUkTJd1XoGN 6qcI9kg9C2TLBqNHH6+CP8o1gyd9reDWQNQrLMyq00HhLlpm/RpVd5AVDbpRkMWVYuBZ7yqOAivR dgSASiq1xomTTeTbqISxaLzw1EAka86GNZ2wDvTSAFZ6YckGRC1h2UAcUUKQSyL8Cc+tuCDVhF1h TK9z3YzugPyAL9m1s9AlFXrypV5QXQB2triCGxpzdXsdyht4+Gx2pu4cLvVKVyB1D/y361BEmDcF 6tUSIQz15QBaiC63+j9Y49PgnN4jrpf4sfgHrXiwjCQ+1DoAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6Y3JlYXRlADIw MjEtMDItMjJUMjE6NTM6NTcrMDA6MDAXQ4vkAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOm1vZGlmeQAyMDIxLTAyLTIy VDIxOjUzOjU3KzAwOjAwZh4zWAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Now-Playing: Bob Dylan's _Highway 61 Revisited_: "Tombstone Blues" In-Reply-To: <84e3f5ab-436e-c0ea-39f1-2466f3227910@yandex.ru> (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Mon, 22 Feb 2021 23:49:43 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:265509 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov writes: > It will be a missed opportunity to teach some new users that they > can/should use the manual for more in-depth explanations. > > Or that Emacs actually knows more about the function and its symbol. > > Anyway, I'll stop here. If you don't think we should push for manual's > higher visibility, I certainly don't. I think linking to the manual (as much as practically possible) from *Help* is a good idea. However, `info-lookup-symbol' (the innards of which we basically have to call) is a bit on the slow side. Would it make sense to precompute (as part of the build process) a cache that *Help* could consult? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no