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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:270901 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > We still have a few questions to resolve about how to manage nonGNU > ELPA, so that it will avoid the problems that MELPA has. What are the main issues? The ones I am familiar with is the broken versioning system and the fact that new package versions are created for (roughly) every commit by default, and that the "stable" variation is the alternative. I also remember the conversation about MELPA including packages that promote and/or depend on non-free software, but that was already ruled out. > Some of us were discussing this in January, and since then I've had a > series of crises so I could not try to find solutions. What thread was that discussed in? I just checked the archives, and there were multiple conversations that could be related to this. > That remains the case now. unfortunately. > > Please don't add more packages to NonGNU ELPA until we resolve the > problems of the right way to do that. -- Philip K.