From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philip Kaludercic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Awful completion buffer behaviour Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2021 14:55:17 +0000 Message-ID: <87ilvgu1t6.fsf@posteo.net> References: <878rwdtjum.fsf.ref@yahoo.com> <878rwdtjum.fsf@yahoo.com> <83o858yf4w.fsf@gnu.org> <87a6gspzmn.fsf@yahoo.com> <83bl18yc2e.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="18160"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Po Lu , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 22 15:56:16 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n032O-0004YY-LN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 22 Dec 2021 15:56:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44254 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n032N-0006rc-HJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 22 Dec 2021 09:56:15 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:60432) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n031W-00066J-Uy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Dec 2021 09:55:23 -0500 Original-Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:53265) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n031U-0006de-0W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Dec 2021 09:55:22 -0500 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 10550240028 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2021 15:55:17 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1640184918; bh=luux9m8GeMiQAhd03Mr4c4us5ztHhHpr1/RFUwwVPrM=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Autocrypt:Date:From; b=rSXP7kywU484wFHWMjTj6CPCOiJSuokZ53R0Flq3MAZlSIIUvGaUQukjvl4d45Qak G6l+kwdZbUh3RCSU1PCM7PJniZAlz/05tueXspHjRSCN2qRWZmAq58sPIAOlwnFRK7 AS1V61OS24RHG3DW2g+Z9SM4dsuYj8EjgbjVa3BtpHgoIV9NzA7Cx3D9WvGOojuu0Q F73lo/EULDmYeZe7X2krIXEIrBDbNH0tE74Dey6+gHWoeMC/vvWd0cmIAOlTWEUAmQ 9fdITrI31IMfAfaMz+rAPX5zEoR7niYck3ixVLDxfCMUsjn8f45odd/BLl8a9FzDCz u7fpGN6iHlcvQ== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4JJxFd3NVQz9rxN; Wed, 22 Dec 2021 15:55:17 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <83bl18yc2e.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 22 Dec 2021 16:00:09 +0200") Autocrypt: addr=philipk@posteo.net; prefer-encrypt=nopreference; keydata= mDMEYHHqUhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAp3GdmYJ6tm5McweY6dEvIYIiry+Oz9rU4MH6NHWK0Ee0QlBo aWxpcCBLYWx1ZGVyY2ljIChnZW5lcmF0ZWQgYnkgYXV0b2NyeXB0LmVsKSA8cGhpbGlwa0Bwb3N0 ZW8ubmV0PoiQBBMWCAA4FiEEDM2H44ZoPt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwMFCwkIBwIGFQoJ CAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQtVrAHPRh1FyTkgEAjlbGPxFchvMbxzAES3r8QLuZgCxeAXunM9gh io0ePtUBALVhh9G6wIoZhl0gUCbQpoN/UJHI08Gm1qDob5zDxnIHuDgEYHHqUhIKKwYBBAGXVQEF AQEHQNcRB+MUimTMqoxxMMUERpOR+Q4b1KgncDZkhrO2ql1tAwEIB4h4BBgWCAAgFiEEDM2H44Zo Pt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwwACgkQtVrAHPRh1Fw1JwD/Qo7kvtib8jy7puyWrSv0MeTS g8qIxgoRWJE/KKdkCLEA/jb9b9/g8nnX+UcwHf/4VfKsjExlnND3FrBviXUW6NcB Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.65; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout01.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:282753 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Po Lu >> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2021 20:56:00 +0800 >> >> Eli Zaretskii writes: >> >> > I agree that this new behavior is an unpleasant surprise for me. >> > >> > I'm not sure I understand the purpose of the month-long experiment >> > with turning this on by default. Is it to decide whether it will stay >> > on in Emacs 29? If so, the experiment can be terminated now: we will >> > not make this the default, certainly not in Emacs 29, and maybe not >> > even in Emacs 30. It is too radical departure of age-old Emacs >> > behavior in the default completion commands. >> >> Thanks, will you mind if I install a change that documents the option >> in the NEWS entry and changes its default value to nil now? > > I'd like to hear from Juri and Philip first. The idea was to gather feedback, and this thread is one form of feedback. If the feature is as intrusive as described here (for which I would like to apologise), then it seems like it should be disabled. -- Philip Kaludercic