From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philip Kaludercic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Adding a "quick-help" menu Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2022 17:29:38 +0000 Message-ID: <87illn448t.fsf@posteo.net> References: <87v8pn4968.fsf@posteo.net> <87r10b465q.fsf@posteo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="33890"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 16 19:32:00 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oZFC4-0008cr-0C for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 16 Sep 2022 19:32:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46462 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oZFC2-0005FG-PX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 16 Sep 2022 13:31:58 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38054) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oZF9s-0002xY-L4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Sep 2022 13:29:44 -0400 Original-Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:44353) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oZF9q-00007x-6R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Sep 2022 13:29:44 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 11E0C240026 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2022 19:29:39 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1663349380; bh=A4+7RAYpBLovrXtqUK3E1Ocecia0cVVhrgQAJjVvGTY=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Autocrypt:Date:From; b=Ez8bNvhlGx5m+gK1gamJ8KoKhe8x+vPAxXq0YbpORzi5cssWUCePOW/KqHCzg2Sw5 f6BdBfU7AXGAvHd/ixNO6iNEN9IusBfpoegq3hDrSe7oqJfCHYpHJ4sRMO0Nb1h5BV WVnCC3AFrgLS36alIDakdIaDbWyJcjcqrYpw9Oh7pQZp/ztu+GTy/XJLif/yJR6tTu T6JZF+2YOGpF/QLEQ+BHf5nrZnxIOXExhVL4Nkr5yiKeeYRwhA1fAyrhMP8XiiBob2 7lIV4IYOF3xcr7aw/SGOdcKEcN588O+uwScC5KMkK+qnKA9v+WZ/Ds+x4nsysgLaco NpNxAs2EYp9Ww== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4MTh034RLMz6tpV; Fri, 16 Sep 2022 19:29:39 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Fri, 16 Sep 2022 13:11:39 -0400") Autocrypt: addr=philipk@posteo.net; prefer-encrypt=nopreference; keydata= mDMEYHHqUhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAp3GdmYJ6tm5McweY6dEvIYIiry+Oz9rU4MH6NHWK0Ee0QlBo aWxpcCBLYWx1ZGVyY2ljIChnZW5lcmF0ZWQgYnkgYXV0b2NyeXB0LmVsKSA8cGhpbGlwa0Bwb3N0 ZW8ubmV0PoiQBBMWCAA4FiEEDM2H44ZoPt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwMFCwkIBwIGFQoJ CAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQtVrAHPRh1FyTkgEAjlbGPxFchvMbxzAES3r8QLuZgCxeAXunM9gh io0ePtUBALVhh9G6wIoZhl0gUCbQpoN/UJHI08Gm1qDob5zDxnIHuDgEYHHqUhIKKwYBBAGXVQEF AQEHQNcRB+MUimTMqoxxMMUERpOR+Q4b1KgncDZkhrO2ql1tAwEIB4h4BBgWCAAgFiEEDM2H44Zo Pt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwwACgkQtVrAHPRh1Fw1JwD/Qo7kvtib8jy7puyWrSv0MeTS g8qIxgoRWJE/KKdkCLEA/jb9b9/g8nnX+UcwHf/4VfKsjExlnND3FrBviXUW6NcB Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.65; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout01.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:295491 Archived-At: Stefan Kangas writes: > Philip Kaludercic writes: > >> I hear this a lot, but it seems to me that the "feel" (for lack of a >> better word) for which-keys is different from everything else in Emacs >> by default. > > I disagree, obviously. But it would be useful if others here could give > it a spin to see what they think. > > To try it out, it should be enough to evaluate this (untested): > > (progn > (package-install 'which-key) > (which-key-mode 1)) > > Then type something like `C-x' and wait. IMO it is too much information for the minibuffer. >> Window management can be fragile enough to begin with, but >> having a mode enabled by default that disturbs the current window layout >> and visible parts of the buffer whenever a user isn't quick enough -- in >> other words does nothing -- is something I don't think should be the >> case by default. > > I'm not sure if you are referring to any real issues (a.k.a. bugs), or > if this just a general concern. If the popup is too jarring, we could > experiment with a longer delay before it pops up. > > FWIW, in my many years of using it, I've never seen any issues with it. > It always leaves my windows just as they were when it goes away. Then > again, I don't use the highly advanced customizations that some other > people do. No, I don't think it is a bug. I went into more detail what I think the issues are in my sibling response (<87mtaz44ka.fsf@posteo.net>).