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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 2821e704a4ab39cc3bfd63083617b4d7; Mon, 26 Sep 2022 05:37:35 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <87v8pag7nw.fsf@localhost> (Ihor Radchenko's message of "Mon, 26 Sep 2022 11:02:11 +0800") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20702 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.190.33; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic307-10.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:296248 Archived-At: Ihor Radchenko writes: > I played around with the git log data and your claim appears to be > incorrect. The number of commits affecting manual increases > substantially according to my analysis. And it is not just initial spike > of fixes after introducing the new format. > > See the attached histogram. > > > > > Methodology: > > The org manual has been introduced around d330eed7c (2017-12) > > #+begin_src bash > git log main --grep manual --format=3D%ci > manual-commits.dat > cat manual-commits.dat | awk '{print $1}' | cut -d- -f1,2 > manual-commit= s-month.dat=20 > #+end_src > > #+begin_src gnuplot > set timefmt '%Y-%m' > set xdata time > set title "Number of commits according to \"git log --grep manual\"" font= ",20" > set tics out > set label 1 ".texi =E2=86=92 .org" at "2017-12",155 center font ",18" tex= tcolor rgb'red' > set arrow from "2017-12",0 to "2017-12",150 nohead front lw 10 lc rgb'red' > set style fill solid 0.5 border > set yrange [0:160] > plot 'manual-commits-month.dat' u 1:(1.0) bins=3D40 w boxes t'' > #+end_src Maybe that points to Org being more maintainence-heavy than Texinfo? Anyway, I've made the following offer and will make it again: if anyone who does not know Texinfo wants to contribute documentation to Emacs, he can write it in plain text, and I will manually convert it to Texinfo.