From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Rob Browning Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suppressing native compilation (short and long term) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2022 13:21:54 -0500 Message-ID: <87ill2m6gt.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> References: <87bkqxf1ij.fsf@tethera.net> <8335c9dkyf.fsf@gnu.org> <83tu4odez7.fsf@gnu.org> <871qrrpkgx.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <834jwnbi6c.fsf@gnu.org> <87mtafnun5.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <83sfk6ahty.fsf@gnu.org> <87zgeem8iq.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <83wn9iyvaw.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4219"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, david@tethera.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org, akrl@sdf.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 02 20:23:30 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1of3cg-0000yZ-4y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 20:23:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47834 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1of3ce-0003hU-Lq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 14:23:28 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51072) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1of3bg-000302-AB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 14:22:28 -0400 Original-Received: from defaultvalue.org ([45.33.119.55]:37460) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1of3be-0004yq-V7; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 14:22:28 -0400 Original-Received: from trouble.defaultvalue.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: rlb@defaultvalue.org) by defaultvalue.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 16AD420174; Sun, 2 Oct 2022 13:21:55 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: by trouble.defaultvalue.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B24D314E081; Sun, 2 Oct 2022 13:21:54 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <83wn9iyvaw.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=45.33.119.55; envelope-from=rlb@defaultvalue.org; helo=defaultvalue.org X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:296671 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > But Emacs should not "crash" if the *.el files aren't available, it > should simply refuse to load any *.eln files and load the *.elc files > instead. That produces many warnings, of course, but I hope your > users don't consider that "crashing". I believe it was *crashing*. I can't recall if that one was a segfault, or something a bit less drastic, but I'll try to remember to track it down later. > It isn't a bug, but intended behavior. If we want to remove this > dependency, some non-trivial ideas about reworking the current load > procedure should emerge. I don't thin we have any such ideas at this > time. OK, so we should consider that a hard dependency now, i.e. the emacs-el package can't be optional anymore, at least not on architectures where we can enable native compilation, and so probably just "everywhere" for simplicity, if nothing else. Thanks -- Rob Browning rlb @defaultvalue.org and @debian.org GPG as of 2011-07-10 E6A9 DA3C C9FD 1FF8 C676 D2C4 C0F0 39E9 ED1B 597A GPG as of 2002-11-03 14DD 432F AE39 534D B592 F9A0 25C8 D377 8C7E 73A4