From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B6rn?= Bidar Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: feature/package-vc has been merged Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2022 08:51:15 +0200 Message-ID: <87iljotycc.fsf@thaodan.de> References: <164484721900.31751.1453162457552427931@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> <878rkxgpms.fsf@posteo.net> <87sfiyk3a2.fsf_-_@posteo.net> <838rkp4ptj.fsf@gnu.org> <87zgd58i7y.fsf@posteo.net> <83k0492u5i.fsf@gnu.org> <87fsew8g18.fsf@posteo.net> <83mt941cyd.fsf@gnu.org> <87fsewp0ec.fsf@posteo.net> <837d0814c9.fsf@gnu.org> <878rkooz1o.fsf@posteo.net> <831qqg1306.fsf@gnu.org> <874jvcowzm.fsf@posteo.net> <83y1soypvx.fsf@gnu.org> <87y1song5x.fsf@posteo.net> <83v8nsyof7.fsf@gnu.org> <87leoond7l.fsf@posteo.net> <87pmdxgptl.fsf@posteo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="2399"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: Stefan Kangas , Stefan Monnier , Eli Zaretskii , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Philip Kaludercic Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 09 13:03:40 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1osjnv-0000N4-P3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2022 13:03:39 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1osjmD-0005xW-RC; Wed, 09 Nov 2022 07:01:53 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1osevi-00005Z-Lm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2022 01:51:22 -0500 Original-Received: from thaodan.de ([185.216.177.71]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1osevh-000571-1o; Wed, 09 Nov 2022 01:51:22 -0500 Original-Received: from odin (dsl-trebng12-b04885-76.dhcp.inet.fi [176.72.133.76]) by thaodan.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 90134D08D44; Wed, 9 Nov 2022 08:51:15 +0200 (EET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=thaodan.de; s=mail; t=1667976675; bh=QoLHm647DTCLs0rHH3ygbKf7VMok2ysa/5MqItaC3sQ=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date; b=KoYmSDx7XScnj9R3M+5QNqBH05v7RqD4DNjKW5u6k6T71zGjA2ShACSSPOPe0jfPu 5ASrP1+RUqI7LYXu0d/jtgSGHM5Fqv2Y68MN4s7yqmq05B8irLalAa5mBhg68q3v5E 3d6gcqa0+o149uqImC65ViRCjQSt2+DHKS8byKBut78Bl0YCyK02KEIK9OAxeoRS90 AVQFUYex7KlxehCs0i28UA4v8fefRSUU8gvUNotmXpgjemb1mh0B0RYzeIVxuV3tKV 9xXPe7EFFRscN4pDBzOKgF+7b6w7LtrgKu1a7eqQ8XGY7VjnhlJcRSV1JA294vuexN 8q5kFbOrFB/M7J2zvQJ24HXBpaepsiRHBhCpYTYhcOSjm6kJCUbHnNOnJ+UB/utw9e 4iLD37JfyPifY6fyDLu2VHrsUnx+5Togay2h8aBCVO+6WIfGp9ypeqnQneJKu8wZxl Bs4wSWTt3W9cIa3zMf6s58BRFHdnvyTkAWrhsNk85NmTVeB07GzXAa6KGTEG6owuUW DtoI3FkR397C0rTsC9MjOKcQzrnd2iVlmpIum2EAeiuh6yD2GZNL435CI/HGaQbPQJ 921zUgqWFoAZSa8s347zmYonwQogy3lLpdx+VGJWjQqem1OdvrbuyKmyQLXlW2pqw3 ccDS9uMmGBZh/XLZvdqpeO0M= In-Reply-To: <87pmdxgptl.fsf@posteo.net> (Philip Kaludercic's message of "Tue, 08 Nov 2022 20:21:26 +0000") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.216.177.71; envelope-from=bjorn.bidar@thaodan.de; helo=thaodan.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 09 Nov 2022 07:01:29 -0500 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:299403 Archived-At: Philip Kaludercic writes: >>> >> How many package users do that? >>> > >>> > I know of at least one for certain, and that is me. >>> >>> I do too. >>> >>> Also, the Borg, the Straight, and the DELPS package managers implemented >>> that same functionality, so there's clearly a public for it. >> >> Me too. Actually, I thought that was the entire motivation for >> package-vc. Is there any other reason to have it? > > It was my personal motivation, but I know that some people prefer using > version controlled package sources to improve the reproducability of an > Emacs configuration. This and the lower the entry level/bar is to contribute the more user potentially contribute. For me since moving to Borg my contributions have gone greatly compared to using package.el where there was less user control and a higher level effort I have to take to get to the packages sources and it's version control. However this process also depends on how good the system is, magit, forge and epkg are very good. >From my past experience vc didn't came close to that. package-vc also still depends on the centralized package information and doesn't include other sources such as melpa by default. Br, Bj=C3=B6rn=20