From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philip Kaludercic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: feature/package-vc has been merged Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 18:08:36 +0000 Message-ID: <87iljiu3q3.fsf@posteo.net> References: <164484721900.31751.1453162457552427931@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> <83v8nsyof7.fsf@gnu.org> <87leoond7l.fsf@posteo.net> <87pmdxgptl.fsf@posteo.net> <87iljotycc.fsf@thaodan.de> <87k044fvx9.fsf@posteo.net> <87a650twv7.fsf@thaodan.de> <87wn84ednr.fsf@posteo.net> <87y1sks82p.fsf@thaodan.de> <87mt909g3o.fsf@posteo.net> <87leojswzm.fsf@thaodan.de> <875yfluy99.fsf@thaodan.de> <875yfk1uqm.fsf@posteo.net> <87y1sg5ntn.fsf@thaodan.de> <87cz9sz3ym.fsf@posteo.net> <87pmdqudn9.fsf@thaodan.de> <87r0y6voji.fsf@posteo.net> <878rkespp0.fsf@thaodan.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="30308"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Richard Stallman , stefankangas@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B6rn?= Bidar Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 13 19:09:22 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ouHQ1-0007e5-Cg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2022 19:09:21 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ouHPb-0004a4-0f; Sun, 13 Nov 2022 13:08:55 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ouHPa-0004Zw-36 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2022 13:08:54 -0500 Original-Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ouHPS-00039l-FQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2022 13:08:53 -0500 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 33DC6240028 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2022 19:08:41 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1668362924; bh=YtN1zZW9CulSMMykG4CwqVl8TZpkuQVrEYCZhWumUaI=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=fcDnphnLNdMzwBqQTVIFRrrGL8nh33GruIu5iulTl96EmzLvyL9ltDuDOR3vuXCWO eYB72z9f797lN7x3f6MVI4C/mAxaOt7pNYKZIUkEQs91yzU+SJey7pSEjqSovUGgPa Ygn5Bg2AGuizrU5h/gLOHWb9XCG1J7fI4Gs997t2yrm/5G1I7bKL4hByGaWIC86poB dCZlpd5RTAsfLg5I33I36tIKk5YKbfPGiNyoGmjj00rrbXPnpEftloG0/rbVpoY7A5 39PhOnWGcaKiGLQ5p1ijtvHJFqGDS9oiU4OtT+zvguJFu2uQE6I39onh1OUspPufCf 0L8yeiVby/S/Q== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4N9L6J6JtTz6tnG; Sun, 13 Nov 2022 19:08:40 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <878rkespp0.fsf@thaodan.de> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Bj=C3=B6rn?= Bidar"'s message of "Sun, 13 Nov 2022 19:56:59 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.65; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout01.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:299739 Archived-At: Bj=C3=B6rn Bidar writes: > I translate this my self: Yes both sources contain only free software, > but both contain software that interacts with non-free software. I believe that Stefan explained this, in distinguishing between software that you have to run on your own system and a fixed service that runs on non-free software. A web browser is not at fault when requesting a website from a non-free web server. > Anyway you don't have to write in German just for me, it's fine. Ok. >> What do you have in mind specifically when you say "modern"? >> >> The Guix people have been using a separate different front end that >> /looks/ more modern, that still is debbugs AFAIK: >> https://issues.guix.gnu.org/, and the source code is here: >> https://git.elephly.net/gitweb.cgi?p=3Dsoftware/mumi.git. > > Yes something like your example, a ui that allows contribution without > email and looks more modern. Both debbugs and the mailman2 that used by > Gnu also doesn't scale/look good on high dpi screens. > Mailman2 is EOL in any case. Then it might be worth convincing whoever is responsible to try setting up mumi. There has also been the discussion of moving to SourceHut, which should also fix the issues you have. >> Richard went into that issue in a parallel thread just yesterday: >> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2022-11/msg00792.html: >> >> Our general policy makes a subtle distinction between these two >> cases: >> >> 1. If a nonfree program FOO is not well known, we don't even >> mention that >> it exists. Because we don't want to promote using FOO. >> >> 2. If a nonfree program FOO is well known and widely used, >> something to >> help and encourage FOO's users to use some GNU packages along with >> FOO >> is good. >> >> 3. Anything that would encourage the existing users of some GNU >> packages >> to use FOO with them is bad. > > OK I don't see anything against cooperating with Gnu in Melpa, the only > difference is the barrier of entry for packages that interact with > non-free systems, especially the amount of questioning that a package > has go too but that is subjective I think. Are you saying that GNU ELPA or MELPA go through more "questioning"?