From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ihor Radchenko Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Concurrency via isolated process/thread Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2023 15:21:04 +0000 Message-ID: <87ilavbvdr.fsf@localhost> References: <871qhnr4ty.fsf@localhost> <87bkgq8p5t.fsf@localhost> <831qhmjwk0.fsf@gnu.org> <875y6y8nlr.fsf@localhost> <87h6qhnalc.fsf@yahoo.com> <87ilax71wo.fsf@localhost> <878rbtkz2c.fsf@yahoo.com> <87a5w96x2o.fsf@localhost> <87jzvdjjp4.fsf@yahoo.com> <877crd6w53.fsf@localhost> <877crdjiwn.fsf@yahoo.com> <874jmh6v4s.fsf@localhost> <83y1jtgmbw.fsf@gnu.org> <87zg49xfke.fsf@localhost> <83sfa1gjns.fsf@gnu.org> <87r0plxbep.fsf@localhost> <83ilawhpi6.fsf@gnu.org> <87zg48apwr.fsf@localhost> <83edljg8ub.fsf@gnu.org> <87o7knbxr7.fsf@localhost> <838rbrg4mg.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="22957"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 07 17:21:48 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qHnHH-0005nO-Lc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2023 17:21:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qHnGl-0006bQ-CT; Fri, 07 Jul 2023 11:21:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qHnGi-0006a1-74 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2023 11:21:12 -0400 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qHnGc-0003Zs-1u for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2023 11:21:08 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1EADB240101 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2023 17:21:04 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1688743264; bh=oXBegT9dzVYmltDGqGfoF9Hv1fafUzJkggr17RTad2U=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:From; b=o/eL3qDRqjDDX2w5adLG3dQwP/vRPhqzCGYpVkQAJ1MVtj9IPLoc2CNmARpFq3+30 +LAIJpYJBMtBXHtXo6j8fG0Ho2ooX3/690ZZRXYl55bv48O8HApVL8kdIYrkkhqhNr osMcZKm3MbJrwxSOdKYNsOlBdkHxo41KMETLkvmGvsVEX1Pkp0nKbQxrP01Bm8Oit+ 8MSZp9PXfLQs/oXgh4V0UjwfUxsMSF46ucZ9vE9ruNdsOI6Z4LcOZxjckhBhSkD3AR yEnTE/yxwF1sYvVAbH8CTE13DMM9wLG1duo3fR6qavaB9/IYW/9SNCKnLXbaG0XSlh 6vrbwUCvdArEA== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4QyHCz32Wxz6tsg; Fri, 7 Jul 2023 17:21:03 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <838rbrg4mg.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=yantar92@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:307581 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> What GC is doing may affect C pointers to internal representations of >> Elisp objects. But never the Lisp representations. > > What do you mean by "Lisp representation"? We clearly misunderstand each other. May you please provide a concrete example how running GC breaks things? >> Ok. Please, describe the elephant in details. > > I already did: it's the huge global state used implicitly by every > Lisp program out there. I am interested in specific details. The way you say it now is general and sounds like "it is impossible and there is no point trying to do anything". -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at