From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: MINI-PATCH: add how to turn auto-completion in test buffers off Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2024 07:06:16 +0200 Message-ID: <87il0r15x3.fsf@dataswamp.org> References: <868r1p1u21.fsf@gnu.org> <86zfu5z93q.fsf@gnu.org> <86a5m4ytzn.fsf@gnu.org> <9ABD0212-9EC4-4F3F-9E7C-46DF6ADBD451@gmail.com> <86edbfya1t.fsf@gnu.org> <87bk6j3dbv.fsf@dataswamp.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="38768"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:UKaDsL29ywYJ/C0V2Gy0ueaE6E0= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 09 09:41:05 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ru66K-0009q9-7b for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 09 Apr 2024 09:41:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ru65W-0004fS-32; Tue, 09 Apr 2024 03:40:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ru3gn-0006vt-AT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Apr 2024 01:06:33 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ru3gl-00060G-Js for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Apr 2024 01:06:33 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ru3gj-0005Xl-B1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Apr 2024 07:06:29 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.248, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 09 Apr 2024 03:40:10 -0400 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:317641 Archived-At: tomas wrote: >>> Free _customizable_ software. >> >> Okay, is that a new phrase people are pushing for to >> describe something? > > Eli's right: you can (a) make a free software which > encourages users to adapt it (documentation, reflexion > (think C-h f) and so on) or (b) make free software which is > so fiendishly impenetrable ("no serviceable parts inside") > that users better don't. You can make a lot of things but it doesn't affect the software being free or not as that is a legal term. Unless the legal documents say something about customization those terms don't mix. Free software will have an implied tendency toward customization is a likely thing on the other hand, since people into software will be attracted to it and some dude will eventually fork it and/or add some customization interface if this isn't originally provided. But then again in theory one could fork Emacs and inhibit all customization, extension, Elisp, meta-discussion on ML, the works - it would ONLY be allowed to use it for productive work. -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal