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From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
Cc: stephen@xemacs.org, mew-int@mew.org, kazu@iijlab.net,
	d.love@dl.ac.uk, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [mew-int 01596] Re: windows 1252
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 01:32:06 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87he18grg9.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200311130101.KAA04554@etlken.m17n.org> (Kenichi Handa's message of "Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:01:57 +0900 (JST)")

>>>>> "Kenichi" == Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org> writes:

    Kenichi> In article <87ekwdilwx.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>,
    Kenichi> "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org> writes:
    >>>>>>> "Kenichi" == Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org> writes:
    >>>> 7.  The UTF-8 encoding
    Kenichi> [...]
    >>>> How about using this to encode mule-unicode-0100-24ff?

    Kenichi> That's a good idea.  I'll work on it.

    >> AFAIK this is an XFree86-only extension.  As of X11R6.4 such
    >> extensions were forbidden in X.org Compound Text Encoding.  Is
    >> it really a good idea?

    Kenichi> I think so.  Currently we encode mule-unicode-0100-24ff
    Kenichi> by ESC $ - 1 ...  which is also an invalid code, and only
    Kenichi> Emacs can decode it.  If we use UTF-8 encoding, more
    Kenichi> clients can decode it.

I certainly agree that UTF-8 should be used for encoding.  The
question is should the DOCS UTF-8 (XFree86 only, I fear) sequence be
used to invoke it, or should the DOCS private final byte UTF-8 (X11
standard extended segment) be used.

XEmacs will follow what GNU does on this; there's no point in having
yet another unneeded incompatibility.  But I prefer to follow the
general standard, not XFree86, especially where the XFree86 practice
has always been forbidden by the general X11 standard.

    Kenichi> Emacs decodes extended segment for ISO-8859-15 correctly,
    Kenichi> but doesn't use it for encoding.  According to Dave,
    Kenichi> Latin-9 (ISO-8859-15) users don't want it.  See this code
    Kenichi> in mule.el.

I know it violates the CTEXT standard but many Linux apps give it to
you anyway.

It's interesting that they happily take the standard codes.  That's
useful to know.


-- 
Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences     http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp
University of Tsukuba                    Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN
               Ask not how you can "do" free software business;
              ask what your business can "do for" free software.

  reply	other threads:[~2003-11-13 16:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20031029.160819.120233945.kazu@iijlab.net>
     [not found] ` <20031029.082403.193886873.wl@gnu.org>
     [not found]   ` <20031030.175736.39971315.kazu@iijlab.net>
2003-10-30 14:41     ` [mew-int 01581] Re: windows 1252 Werner LEMBERG
2003-10-31 11:04       ` [mew-int 01579] " Kenichi Handa
2003-10-31 12:39         ` [mew-int 01583] " Kazu Yamamoto
2003-11-01 15:36           ` [mew-int 01584] " Eli Zaretskii
2003-11-02  6:41             ` [mew-int 01582] " Stephen J. Turnbull
2003-11-04  2:13               ` [mew-int 01586] " Kazu Yamamoto
2003-11-04  5:55                 ` [mew-int 01585] " Eli Zaretskii
2003-11-04  6:13                   ` [mew-int 01587] " Kazu Yamamoto
2003-11-04  6:23                   ` [mew-int 01589] " Stephen J. Turnbull
2003-11-04 15:13                 ` [mew-int 01590] " Stefan Monnier
2003-11-04 15:55                   ` [mew-int 01591] " Kazu Yamamoto
2003-11-04 17:04                     ` [mew-int 01590] " Stefan Monnier
2003-11-04 18:45                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2003-11-05  1:59                       ` [mew-int 01594] " Kazu Yamamoto
2003-11-05  5:00                         ` [mew-int 01593] " Stephen J. Turnbull
2003-11-07  7:30                           ` Kenichi Handa
2003-11-07  7:28                         ` [mew-int 01597] " Kenichi Handa
2003-11-07  8:21                           ` [mew-int 01599] " Kazu Yamamoto
2003-11-07  7:13                 ` [mew-int 01596] " Kenichi Handa
2003-11-10  7:11                   ` [mew-int 01607] " Kazu Yamamoto
2003-11-10  7:42                     ` [mew-int 01608] " Kenichi Handa
2003-11-12 16:36                       ` [mew-int 01596] " Stephen J. Turnbull
2003-11-13  1:01                         ` Kenichi Handa
2003-11-13 16:32                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull [this message]
2003-11-14  2:57                             ` Kenichi Handa
2003-11-14 11:20                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2003-11-14 12:02                                 ` Kenichi Handa
2003-11-13 19:49                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-11-14  3:39                             ` [mew-int 01621] " Kenichi Handa

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