From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Kai Grossjohann Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Default Emacs keybindings Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 11:36:46 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <87hduxyhqp.fsf@emptyhost.emptydomain.de> References: <20040502211541.GA26227@fencepost> <85y8oa6nwi.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> <20040503083427.GA6360@fencepost> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1083577989 13854 80.91.224.253 (3 May 2004 09:53:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 09:53:09 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Mon May 03 11:53:03 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BKa8F-0006tl-00 for ; Mon, 03 May 2004 11:53:03 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BKa8F-0004iN-00 for ; Mon, 03 May 2004 11:53:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BKa7n-0002F2-70 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 05:52:35 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BKa6W-0001yj-0X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 05:51:16 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BKa5w-0001oY-DZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 05:51:11 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.41.8] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.30) id 1BKa3D-000181-PL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 05:47:51 -0400 Original-Received: from [80.91.224.249] (helo=main.gmane.org) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BKZsK-0006Fp-9R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 05:36:36 -0400 Original-Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BKZsG-00085Q-00 for ; Mon, 03 May 2004 11:36:32 +0200 Original-Received: from 213-203-244-156.kunde.vdserver.de ([213.203.244.156]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 03 May 2004 11:36:32 +0200 Original-Received: from kai by 213-203-244-156.kunde.vdserver.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 03 May 2004 11:36:32 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 13 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 213-203-244-156.kunde.vdserver.de User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:PFcoKItIP6OQYpT9VNONoUfhHBg= X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:22597 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:22597 Miles Bader writes: > To be honest, a standard keyboard isn't really much good for typing commands > at all -- on a standard keyboard _none_ of the non-shift modifier keys is in > a convenient position for the most efficient use of `modeless' editor like > emacs. The ESC key is also in the wrong position for that popular modeful editor. (What's the opposite of modeless?) HHKL has ESC to the left of 1, which is where it should be. Kai