From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta,gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Permission to use portions of the recent GNU Emacs Manual Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 10:32:23 +0900 Organization: The XEmacs Project Message-ID: <87hdmlbtg8.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <87llc49kn1.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> <6.2.0.14.2.20041212125027.024c6900@mail.comcast.net> <87d5xbd4it.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1103247725 16369 80.91.229.6 (17 Dec 2004 01:42:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 01:42:05 +0000 (UTC) Cc: bob@rattlesnake.com, "Stephen J. Turnbull" , emacs-devel@gnu.org, andy@xemacs.org, xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Original-X-From: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Fri Dec 17 02:41:58 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from gwyn.tux.org ([199.184.165.135] ident=ident-user) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Cf782-0003QS-00 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 02:41:58 +0100 Original-Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBH1a1oV006828; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 20:36:01 -0500 Original-Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBH1ZxJ6006814 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 20:35:59 -0500 Original-Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id iBH1Zx7v006813 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 20:35:59 -0500 Original-Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBH1ZwQK006801 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 20:35:58 -0500 Original-Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id iBH1Zwf6006800 for xemacweb@tux.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 20:35:58 -0500 Original-Received: from yxa.extundo.com (root@178.230.13.217.in-addr.dgcsystems.net [217.13.230.178]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBH1Zvie006795; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 20:35:57 -0500 Original-Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Debian-exim@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by yxa.extundo.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Debian-18) with ESMTP id iBH1Zq35026145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 17 Dec 2004 02:35:56 +0100 Original-Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 4.34) id 1Cf6yl-0007I6-G3; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 10:32:23 +0900 Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Wed, 15 Dec 2004 18:20:10 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/622/Wed Dec 8 08:36:53 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/622/Wed Dec 8 08:36:53 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/622/Wed Dec 8 08:36:53 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/622/Wed Dec 8 08:36:53 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/618/Mon Dec 6 00:09:24 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on yxa.extundo.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta:17486 gmane.emacs.devel:31224 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:31224 >>>>> "rms" == Richard Stallman writes: sjt> But personally I wish the FSF would amend the GFDL to sjt> remove the additional encumbering restrictions, or simply sjt> rename it the GNU Documentation License: sjt> "The GDL is a not-too-unfree documentation license sjt> that reserves certain non-economic rights to authors, while sjt> perpetually rms> In our judgment, it is free. If you disagree, you're rms> entitled to your opinion. That is exactly the point. I _am_ entitled to my opinion, as are the Debian Project, and the various BSD projects, and the OSI, as well as the general public. To the extent that the disagreement is widespread and deeply rooted, the FSF has a public relations problem. Now, I'm only one person, and my particular position is probably unusual, and definitely extreme. So maybe the public relations problem pointed out here is "small" compared to the benefits of insisting that the GFDL is "free". That's for you to judge; I simply wish to point out that the issue is not which definition of freedom is correct, but that treating the existence of differences as negligible harms us all. Extremism-in-the-defense-of-freedom-is-no-vice-ly y'rs, -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software.