From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Yavor Doganov via RT" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: [gnu.org #332913] Minor web sales thing (not urgent) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 10:00:59 -0400 Message-ID: References: <1175179926.826.13.camel@spider.localnet> Reply-To: webmasters@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1175797699 32404 80.91.229.12 (5 Apr 2007 18:28:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 18:28:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 05 20:28:17 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HZWgy-0004F6-1H for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 20:28:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZWkM-0002ey-Bu for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 14:31:46 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HZSYV-0004CA-1q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 10:03:15 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HZSYU-0004Bn-Ko for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 10:03:14 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZSYU-0004Bd-El for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 10:03:14 -0400 Original-Received: from rt.gnu.org ([199.232.76.167]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HZSV6-0003Ce-D9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 09:59:44 -0400 Original-Received: from www-data by rt.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HZSWJ-0003XT-HD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 10:00:59 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1175179926.826.13.camel@spider.localnet> Precedence: bulk X-RT-Loop-Prevention: gnu.org RT-Ticket: gnu.org #332913 Managed-by: RT 3.4.5 (http://www.bestpractical.com/rt/) RT-Originator: yavor@gnu.org X-RT-Original-Encoding: utf-8 X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 14:31:42 -0400 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:69091 Archived-At: Hi Deborah, > Here, http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/#Manuals the Emacs Lisp > Reference Manual is described as being for sale which it isn't. > > Could you replace: > "You can order any of these manuals in printed form from the Free > Software Foundation." > > with: > "The Emacs Manual and Introduction to Emacs Lisp can be "https://agia.fsf.org/order/"> purchased in printed form from the > Free Software Foundation. The Emacs Lisp Reference Manual is out of > print, but you can read or download the whole thing href="http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/emacs-lisp-intro/emacs-lisp- > intro.html">here." This seems wrong to me -- Emacs Lisp Intro (by Bob Chassell) is not the same as the Emacs Lisp Reference Manual. Anyway, CC-ing because the new release is imminent and the webpage also has some pending changes. If it is not urgent, perhaps it would be better to leave the text as it is (I hope that FSF will offer the new versions of all three manuals). [Emacs developers: Please reply to or make sure to CC Deborah Nicholson . Thanks.] From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Yavor Doganov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [gnu.org #332913] Minor web sales thing (not urgent) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 21:36:07 +0300 Organization: The GNU Emacs Church (Bulgarian eparchy) Message-ID: <87tzvulld4.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> References: <1175179926.826.13.camel@spider.localnet> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1175798219 3095 80.91.229.12 (5 Apr 2007 18:36:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 18:36:59 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 05 20:36:47 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HZWpB-0008Pr-F0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 20:36:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZWsZ-0007FW-Nf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 14:40:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HZWsW-0007FJ-Jk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 14:40:12 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HZWsT-0007F1-Af for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 14:40:11 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZWsT-0007Ey-5v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 14:40:09 -0400 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HZWp3-0001hH-V6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 14:36:38 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1HZWoq-0003zt-I9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 20:36:24 +0200 Original-Received: from 213.91.245.92 ([213.91.245.92]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 20:36:24 +0200 Original-Received: from yavor by 213.91.245.92 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 20:36:24 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 8 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.91.245.92 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.5 (Almost Unreal) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.8 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Shij=F2?=) APEL/10.6 Emacs/22.0.95 (i486-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." 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From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [gnu.org #332913] Minor web sales thing (not urgent) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 08:57:22 -0400 Message-ID: References: <1175179926.826.13.camel@spider.localnet> <87tzvulld4.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1175864660 7306 80.91.229.12 (6 Apr 2007 13:04:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:04:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Yavor Doganov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 06 15:03:51 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HZo2p-0007O1-5g for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:59:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZo6I-0007IV-OL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 09:03:34 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HZo63-0006v7-H0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 09:03:19 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HZo62-0006ti-P6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 09:03:19 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZo62-0006tP-Kz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 09:03:18 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HZo2Y-00077E-7h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 08:59:42 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HZo0I-0007w5-Ob; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 08:57:22 -0400 In-reply-to: <87tzvulld4.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> (message from Yavor Doganov on Thu, 05 Apr 2007 21:36:07 +0300) X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." 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From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Yavor Doganov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [gnu.org #332913] Minor web sales thing (not urgent) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:27:26 +0000 (UTC) Organization: The GNU Emacs Church (Bulgarian eparchy) Message-ID: References: <1175179926.826.13.camel@spider.localnet> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1175866308 15112 80.91.229.12 (6 Apr 2007 13:31:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:31:48 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 06 15:31:32 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HZoTi-0003XE-GL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:27:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZoXC-0006UU-9X for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 09:31:22 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HZoX8-0006U2-Pg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 09:31:18 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HZoX7-0006To-43 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 09:31:18 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZoX6-0006Tl-TJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 09:31:16 -0400 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HZoTc-0002xc-5r for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 09:27:40 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1HZoTX-0007z6-UF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:27:35 +0200 Original-Received: from 213.91.219.2 ([213.91.219.2]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:27:35 +0200 Original-Received: from yavor by 213.91.219.2 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:27:35 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 7 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.91.219.2 X-Operating-System: GNU/Linux User-Agent: pan 0.119 (Karma Hunters) X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." 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From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [gnu.org #332913] Minor web sales thing (not urgent) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 08:40:54 -0400 Message-ID: References: <1175179926.826.13.camel@spider.localnet> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1175949949 21229 80.91.229.12 (7 Apr 2007 12:45:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 12:45:49 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Yavor Doganov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 07 14:44:57 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HaAHj-0001mk-Ov for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 14:44:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HaALK-0007fO-CJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 08:48:34 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HaAJn-0005oY-TJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 08:46:59 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HaAJn-0005ny-51 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 08:46:59 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HaAJm-0005nt-Tm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 08:46:58 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HaAGB-0001m7-IJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 08:43:15 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HaADu-0000LB-Hb; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 08:40:54 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Yavor Doganov on Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:27:26 +0000 (UTC)) X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." 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From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Romain Francoise Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [gnu.org #332913] Minor web sales thing (not urgent) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 21:56:11 +0200 Organization: orebokech dot com Message-ID: <87hcrpb9us.fsf@pacem.orebokech.com> References: <1175179926.826.13.camel@spider.localnet> <87tzvulld4.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1176165569 15971 80.91.229.12 (10 Apr 2007 00:39:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 00:39:29 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 10 02:38:59 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Hazy2-0002Bi-8L for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2007 21:55:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hb01s-0007yt-Sw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:59:56 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Hb01p-0007v1-5G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:59:53 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Hb01m-0007up-RZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:59:51 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hb01m-0007um-LS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:59:50 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp7-g19.free.fr ([212.27.42.64]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Hazxv-00084O-4j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:55:51 -0400 Original-Received: from pacem.orebokech.com (lns-bzn-32-82-254-42-4.adsl.proxad.net [82.254.42.4]) by smtp7-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8CD815392 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 21:55:48 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by pacem.orebokech.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4260A5241A; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 21:56:11 +0200 (CEST) X-Face: }9mYu,e_@+e!`Z-P5kVXa3\_b:hdJ"B)ww[&=b<2=awG:GOIM (Yavor Doganov's message of "Thu\, 05 Apr 2007 21\:36\:07 +0300") X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." 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From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Yavor Doganov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [gnu.org #332913] Minor web sales thing (not urgent) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:16:44 +0300 Organization: The GNU Emacs Church (Bulgarian eparchy) Message-ID: <87y7l09h0j.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> References: <1175179926.826.13.camel@spider.localnet> <87tzvulld4.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> <87hcrpb9us.fsf@pacem.orebokech.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1176242955 7847 80.91.229.12 (10 Apr 2007 22:09:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:09:15 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 11 00:08:33 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HbLqK-0007Sc-AN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:17:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HbLuH-00010a-HI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:21:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HbLuE-0000wD-2z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:21:30 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HbLuD-0000tX-3E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:21:29 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HbLuC-0000sW-Tf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:21:28 -0400 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HbLqD-0003az-Ra for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:17:22 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1HbLq2-0003M3-4q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:17:10 +0200 Original-Received: from 213.91.245.92 ([213.91.245.92]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:17:10 +0200 Original-Received: from yavor by 213.91.245.92 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:17:10 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 467 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.91.245.92 In-Reply-To: <87hcrpb9us.fsf@pacem.orebokech.com> Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.1 (Almost Unreal) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.7 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Sanj=F2?=) APEL/10.6 Emacs/22.0.97 (i486-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) (gNewSense GNU/Linux) X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:69264 Archived-At: Romain Francoise wrote: > > Could you send us your updated version of emacs.html? Sure, attached. I deleted the list of machines and replaced it with the text as proposed by RMS (substituting "Intel-type" with "PC-style"). > The patch you sent a while ago doesn't apply anymore, [...] This is because Karl Berry went on and installed the notice about the lack of printed versions of the Emacs Lisp Manual... GNU Emacs - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation (FSF)

GNU Emacs

What is Emacs?

To quote the Emacs Manual:

Emacs is the extensible, customizable, self-documenting real-time display editor.

If this seems to be a bit of a mouthful, an easier explanation is Emacs is a text editor and more. At its core is an interpreter for Emacs Lisp (“elisp”, for short), a dialect of the Lisp programming language with extensions to support text editing.

Some of the features of GNU Emacs include:

  • Content sensitive major modes for a wide variety of file types, from plain text to source code to HTML files.
  • Complete online documentation, including a tutorial for new users.
  • Highly extensible through the Emacs Lisp language.
  • Support for many languages and their scripts, including all the European “Latin” scripts, Russian, Greek, Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Thai, Vietnamese, Lao, Ethiopian, and some Indian scripts. (Sorry, Mayan hieroglyphs are not supported.)
  • A large number of extensions which add other functionality. The GNU Emacs distribution includes many extensions; many others are available separately—even a web browser.

Releases

GNU Emacs is a rapidly developed project. Extensions require time to develop right and test thoroughly.

Development & “Coming Soon”

GNU Emacs is actively being developed,

Current Stable Release

  • Latest stable release: 21.4 (Feb 6, 2005)
    • Emacs version 21 supports variable width and height fonts, playing sounds and the inclusion of images in a document, as well as tool bars, plus nicer menus and scroll bars.
    • The latest release has some Unicode support (more coming).
  • For more info read its News file.
  • To download visit the obtaining section.

Release History

Some of GNU Emacs' release history and accompanying release announcements,

Supported Platforms

Emacs 21 runs on these operating systems regardless of the machine type:

  • AIX 4.3.3 and higher
  • FreeBSD
  • GNU/Linux
  • Mac-OS X
  • MS DOS
  • MS Windows
  • NetBSD
  • OpenBSD
  • Solaris
  • SunOS
  • Ultrix

Most people use Emacs on ordinary PC-style machines, but Emacs supports nearly all the computers that have been used in the past two decades. See etc/MACHINES in the Emacs distribution for a list of platforms that Emacs supports.

Next, here is a table listing some additional operating systems which Emacs supports. We have listed an operating system here if it can run on more than one machine type, or if other operating systems can also run on the same machine type.

Many of the computer types listed above always or usually run one particular operating system developed by the computer manufacturer. (Often this is a variant of Unix.) We have not listed the names of those operating systems here.

  • Berkeley Unix (BSD) 4.1, 4.2, 4.3, 4.4
  • Esix
  • Microport
  • SCO Unix
  • System V rel 0, rel 2, rel 2.2, rel 3, rel 4.0.3, rel 4.0.4
  • Uniplus 5.2
  • Xenix

Why is it called Emacs?

The name “Emacs” was originally chosen as an abbreviation of Editor MACroS.

The original Emacs implementation was written for the Incompatible Timesharing System (ITS) as a collection of TECO macros for ITS TECO. There was a custom of giving such macro packages names ending in “mac” or “macs”. A further reason for choosing this particular name was that the abbreviation “e” was unused at the time on ITS.

The Emacs FAQ (html, plain text, Texinfo in the Emacs source distribution) contains a longer explanation, as well as a brief history of Emacs.

Obtaining GNU Emacs

GNU Emacs can be obtained from http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/emacs/, or from a local FTP mirror.

The GNU Emacs CVS repository is available for general access through savannah.gnu.org's emacs project page.

Getting Help with GNU Emacs

Information on getting help with GNU software in general is available at the Get Help with GNU Software page.

Manuals

The Free Software Foundation publishes three manuals about GNU Emacs. They are the Emacs Manual, the Introduction to Emacs Lisp Programming, and the Emacs Lisp Reference Manual. The Emacs Manual and Introduction to Emacs Lisp can be purchased in printed form from the Free Software Foundation. The Emacs Lisp Reference Manual is currently out of print, but you can read or download the whole thing here.

The source code for the Emacs Manual is included in the Emacs distribution itself. The Emacs Lisp Reference Manual is available as a separate distribution on ftp.gnu.org. The Emacs Reference Card (texinfo source) is also translated into Czech.

Here are the cover of the original Emacs Manual for ITS, the cover of the original Emacs Manual for Twenex, and the only cartoon I've ever drawn, the Self-Documenting Extensible Editor.

FAQ

Mailing Lists

The mailing list help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org is specifically for asking for help with GNU Emacs. This is equivalent to the newsgroup gnu.emacs.help.

The Savannah page for Emacs mailing lists lists some more lists related to Emacs.

There are other GNU mailing lists and newsgroups, including several on GNU Emacs and its extensions.

Usenet

There is a newsgroup specifically for asking for help with GNU Emacs gnu.emacs.help. This newsgroup is gatewayed automatically to the mailing list <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>, so anything you post on one of them appears on the other as well.

Finding packages for GNU Emacs

If you are looking for ELisp packages, check out the following resources:

  • the Emacs Wiki (see below)
  • the Emacs FAQ, under the sections Finding/Getting Emacs and Related packages and Major Emacs Lisp Packages, Emacs Extensions, and Related Programs.

Further Information

The Savannah Emacs page has additional information about Emacs, including CVS access to the Emacs development sources.

The Emacs Wiki is a community website which collects ELisp code, questions and answers related to ELisp code and style; introductions to ELisp packages and links to their sources; complete manuals or documentation fragments; comments on features, differences, and history of different Emacs versions, flavors, and ports; jokes; pointers to clones and Emacs look-alikes, as well as references to other Emacs related information on the Web.

If you haven't had any experience with Lisp, you can find some useful information at The Association of Lisp Users.

We also have a copy of the 1981 paper by Richard Stallman, describing the design of the original Emacs and the lessons to be learned from it.

There is also a transcript of a speech, My Lisp Experiences and the Development of GNU Emacs given by Richard Stallman at the International Lisp Conference on 28 Oct 2002.

How to Help with GNU Emacs

To contact the maintainers of Emacs, either to report a bug or to contribute fixes or improvements, send mail to <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>.

GNU Emacs Fun

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