From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chong Yidong Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: position on changing defaults? Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 15:43:31 -0500 Message-ID: <87hcfkdhqk.fsf@stupidchicken.com> References: <200803050637.m256bXL3008361@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1204749982 24039 80.91.229.12 (5 Mar 2008 20:46:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 20:46:22 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 05 21:46:48 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JX0V7-0001py-Nl for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:46:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JX0Ua-0000km-Cz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 15:45:36 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JX0UW-0000kV-RT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 15:45:32 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JX0UV-0000kB-PP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 15:45:32 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JX0UV-0000k8-MD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 15:45:31 -0500 Original-Received: from cyd.mit.edu ([18.115.2.24]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JX0UV-0000nL-Gl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 15:45:31 -0500 Original-Received: by cyd.mit.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8ACC14E3FE; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 15:43:31 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <200803050637.m256bXL3008361@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> (Dan Nicolaescu's message of "Tue\, 04 Mar 2008 22\:37\:33 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1.91 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:91409 Archived-At: Dan Nicolaescu writes: > - transient-mark Like Stefan, I am in favor of this change. My thinking on this, however, is a little different. I'm not in favor of creating a new setting for transient-mark-mode if it involves cumbersome keystrokes (e.g. C-SPC C-SPC instead of C-SPC). The reasoning is that transient-mark-mode is already easily accessible in the Options menu on the menu-bar, so it's trivial for users to go back to the old behavior. So the question is whether complete newbies, who haven't even tinkered with the Options menu, would be more comfortable with the invisible mark or transient-mark-mode. My feeling is that transient-mark-mode is more intuitive to use, since you can see exactly what is going on. The invisible mark is a more "advanced" mode of editing: it allows you to have an active mark while editing, but the mark is not displayed and you have to remember where it is. Thus, transient-mark-mode is more suitable for newbies. > - selection with Shift-arrow keys I think this would be a good default. If someone is willing to make a patch that refactors this code from cua-mode into simple.el, it would be worth considering. > - show-paren-mode on by default I don't think this should be done. I think the default blink-paren behavior is a good default; show-paren-mode can be annoying. For those who like it, it's already easily accessible in the Options menu on the menu-bar. > - iswitchb-mode on by default > - bind ibuffer to C-x C-b > - hide-ifdef-mode on by default for C/C++/objc > - flyspell-mode on by default for text-mode I don't see a need for these, but am open to discussion.