From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: position on changing defaults? Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 09:27:54 +0900 Message-ID: <87hcfg4u7p.fsf@catnip.gol.com> References: <200803050637.m256bXL3008361@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200803052230.m25MUORx001881@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200803070407.m27471TG016558@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1205022499 28097 80.91.229.12 (9 Mar 2008 00:28:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 00:28:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Gregory Collins Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 09 01:28:46 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JY9P8-0005Zo-R8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 01:28:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JY9Oa-0000w2-Ew for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 19:28:08 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JY9OW-0000vv-7J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 19:28:04 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JY9OU-0000vb-Up for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 19:28:03 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JY9OU-0000vU-OA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 19:28:02 -0500 Original-Received: from smtp12.dentaku.gol.com ([203.216.5.74]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JY9OQ-0000pd-Nk; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 19:27:59 -0500 Original-Received: from 203-216-96-086.dsl.gol.ne.jp ([203.216.96.86] helo=catnip.gol.com) by smtp12.dentaku.gol.com with esmtpa (Dentaku) id 1JY9OO-00055u-5d; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 09:27:56 +0900 Original-Received: by catnip.gol.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B48BB2FF7; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 09:27:54 +0900 (JST) System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu In-Reply-To: (Gregory Collins's message of "Sat, 08 Mar 2008 13:08:19 -0500") Original-Lines: 23 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV GOL (outbound) X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:91813 Archived-At: Gregory Collins writes: >> I don't think this should be the default, not just for C-x b, >> and not for anything else either. > > I think you should try the function out before being so eager to dismiss > it. Iswitchb-mode (and the very similar ido-mode, which I prefer) can > save a lot of keystrokes I agree that it's good to try stuff out before making a judgement (it's not hard after all), but I think Richard's spot on. I _have_ tried iswitchb (many times actually), and it can be pretty annoying and confusing, especially when there are tons of buffers. I'm sure it does save some keystrokes, but there are other important issues for a default command. iswitchb is, as you say, a "power user" tool. -Miles -- Faith, n. Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel.