From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: position on changing defaults? Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 00:44:15 +0100 Message-ID: <87hcff5upc.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> References: <200803050637.m256bXL3008361@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <87hcfkdhqk.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87pru8enjx.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> <8763vy95a6.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> <87wsoc39i8.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <877igb7dsi.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1205106418 31304 80.91.229.12 (9 Mar 2008 23:46:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 23:46:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, Miles Bader , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 10 00:47:24 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JYVEf-0000eV-DP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 00:47:21 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JYVE7-0002jN-B9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 19:46:47 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JYVE2-0002jG-T4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 19:46:42 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JYVE0-0002j4-HW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 19:46:41 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JYVE0-0002j1-C0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 19:46:40 -0400 Original-Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk ([195.41.46.235]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JYVDt-00032u-F4; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 19:46:33 -0400 Original-Received: from kfs-lx.rd.rdm.cua.dk (unknown [80.165.4.121]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 582EAFAC038; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 00:44:16 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Sun\, 09 Mar 2008 18\:15\:48 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1.91 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:91954 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >>> I think something similar would be a great basis for implementing this >>> feature for default emacs use -- it's very simple and does exactly >>> what's wanted for the typical user. > >> IMO that approach is severely broken for several reasons. >> And it is not _excatly_ what any typical user wants. > > I haven't thought hard enough yet about what his suggestion does, so > could you expand on its downsides? 1) It binds special commands to the shifted keys, which doesn't work for minor modes which put different commands on the non-shifted keys. 2) C-h k S-down doesn't show the doc string of the original command. 3) It only works with transient-mark-mode off, so explicit region start C-SPC has no highlighting. 4) The list of supported keys/commands is not complete. 5) This approach is already used by s-mark and pc-selection-mode... -- Kim F. Storm http://www.cua.dk