* Summer of Code projects for GNU @ 2008-07-19 1:34 Nick Roberts 2008-07-21 4:47 ` Chong Yidong 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Nick Roberts @ 2008-07-19 1:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-devel In previous years the GNU Project has participated in the Summer of Code: http://www.gnu.org/software/soc-projects/ideas.html and is mentoring some of those projects this year: http://code.google.com/soc/2008/gnu/about.html In the past Emacs has not been directly involved but, assuming that Google run a Summer of Code in 2009, I think that we should suggest some projects. It's still a long way off but successful projects appeared to be quite organised, e.g., http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub-soc.html At the moment, I'm just looking for some consensus. For my part, I would like to suggest the migration of GDB in Emacs from annotations to fully using GDB/MI and perhaps integration with ECB. I have quite clear ideas about how to do that and I am willing to do the mentoring. But it would be good to have other suggestions, which would require mentoring, too. -- Nick http://www.inet.net.nz/~nickrob ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Summer of Code projects for GNU 2008-07-19 1:34 Summer of Code projects for GNU Nick Roberts @ 2008-07-21 4:47 ` Chong Yidong 2008-07-21 6:27 ` Thomas Lord 2008-07-30 13:27 ` Bastien 0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Chong Yidong @ 2008-07-21 4:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Nick Roberts; +Cc: emacs-devel Nick Roberts <nickrob@snap.net.nz> writes: > In the past Emacs has not been directly involved but, assuming that Google run > a Summer of Code in 2009, I think that we should suggest some projects. It's > still a long way off but successful projects appeared to be quite organised, > e.g., > > http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub-soc.html > > At the moment, I'm just looking for some consensus. > > For my part, I would like to suggest the migration of GDB in Emacs from > annotations to fully using GDB/MI and perhaps integration with ECB. I have > quite clear ideas about how to do that and I am willing to do the mentoring. > > But it would be good to have other suggestions, which would require mentoring, > too. Good idea. One project that I can think of is a rewrite or revamp of the customization code. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Summer of Code projects for GNU 2008-07-21 4:47 ` Chong Yidong @ 2008-07-21 6:27 ` Thomas Lord 2008-07-21 6:20 ` Nick Roberts ` (3 more replies) 2008-07-30 13:27 ` Bastien 1 sibling, 4 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Thomas Lord @ 2008-07-21 6:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Chong Yidong; +Cc: Nick Roberts, emacs-devel Chong Yidong wrote: > Nick Roberts <nickrob@snap.net.nz> writes: > > >> In the past Emacs has not been directly involved but, assuming that Google run >> a Summer of Code in 2009, I think that we should suggest some projects. It's >> still a long way off but successful projects appeared to be quite organised, >> e.g., >> >> http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub-soc.html >> >> At the moment, I'm just looking for some consensus. >> Are you sure the GNU project should be supporting GSoC? For their investment in the project, Google gets a lot of volunteer marketing, with people putting up posters at universities, press coverage, etc. Yet, they don't talk about free software but, rather, open source. And, in administering the project, they collect a lot of HR-type recruitment data, both demographic and individual, about the students. And, they pick the funded projects by fiat rather than accountably. And, they arguably underpay the host projects relative to the supervisory and reporting obligations they impose. And, Google is very much a proprietary software company with no signs of trying to change that. I think GNU (and FSF) should look at the past few years of GSoC, at the amounts of money spent on students and towards FSF, add that up, and say: "Hey, we appreciate support. But this process is, at best, inefficient. Your terms for getting that money is problematic. How about just giving us that money directly, instead, through one or more NPOs, earmarked for development? We don't want to encourage aspirants to your program to advertise for you gratis. We don't want to be obligated to report to you in those ways. We just want to advance software freedom and develop free software and we can do that much better if you just give us the money with fewer strings attached." -t >> For my part, I would like to suggest the migration of GDB in Emacs from >> annotations to fully using GDB/MI and perhaps integration with ECB. I have >> quite clear ideas about how to do that and I am willing to do the mentoring. >> >> But it would be good to have other suggestions, which would require mentoring, >> too. >> > > Good idea. > > One project that I can think of is a rewrite or revamp of the > customization code. > > > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Summer of Code projects for GNU 2008-07-21 6:27 ` Thomas Lord @ 2008-07-21 6:20 ` Nick Roberts 2008-07-21 13:26 ` Chong Yidong ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Nick Roberts @ 2008-07-21 6:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Thomas Lord; +Cc: emacs-devel > >> In the past Emacs has not been directly involved but, assuming that Google run > >> a Summer of Code in 2009, I think that we should suggest some projects. It's > >> still a long way off but successful projects appeared to be quite organised, > >> e.g., > >> > >> http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub-soc.html > >> > >> At the moment, I'm just looking for some consensus. > >> > > Are you sure the GNU project should be supporting GSoC? I leave that judgement to those who are better informed than me and can influence the GNU project. I would think that it has considered the issues. It has participated over the past three years and has presumably found it beneficial in the past. On this list I think we need only discuss what Emacs related projects we would like to see. -- Nick http://www.inet.net.nz/~nickrob ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Summer of Code projects for GNU 2008-07-21 6:27 ` Thomas Lord 2008-07-21 6:20 ` Nick Roberts @ 2008-07-21 13:26 ` Chong Yidong 2008-07-21 14:01 ` Miles Bader 2008-07-22 2:48 ` Richard M Stallman 3 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Chong Yidong @ 2008-07-21 13:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Thomas Lord; +Cc: Nick Roberts, emacs-devel Thomas Lord <lord@emf.net> writes: > And, Google is very much a proprietary software company with no signs > of trying to change that. Google is primarily an *in-house* software company. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Summer of Code projects for GNU 2008-07-21 6:27 ` Thomas Lord 2008-07-21 6:20 ` Nick Roberts 2008-07-21 13:26 ` Chong Yidong @ 2008-07-21 14:01 ` Miles Bader 2008-07-22 2:48 ` Richard M Stallman 3 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Miles Bader @ 2008-07-21 14:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Thomas Lord; +Cc: Chong Yidong, Nick Roberts, emacs-devel Thomas Lord <lord@emf.net> writes: > Are you sure the GNU project should be supporting GSoC? Yes. -Miles -- Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Summer of Code projects for GNU 2008-07-21 6:27 ` Thomas Lord ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2008-07-21 14:01 ` Miles Bader @ 2008-07-22 2:48 ` Richard M Stallman 3 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Richard M Stallman @ 2008-07-22 2:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Thomas Lord; +Cc: cyd, nickrob, emacs-devel I think GNU (and FSF) should look at the past few years of GSoC, at the amounts of money spent on students and towards FSF, add that up, and say: I think it would be interesting to add it up, and then think about what conclusions to draw. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Summer of Code projects for GNU 2008-07-21 4:47 ` Chong Yidong 2008-07-21 6:27 ` Thomas Lord @ 2008-07-30 13:27 ` Bastien 1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Bastien @ 2008-07-30 13:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Chong Yidong; +Cc: Nick Roberts, emacs-devel Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com> writes: > One project that I can think of is a rewrite or revamp of the > customization code. Does anyone uses Customization Themes? (info "(emacs)Customization Themes") I came across this while trying to use two custom files, one that I would load when `window-system' is non-nil, the other one when it is nil. But I don't want to create a theme from scratch. It would be great to be able to convert an existing custom file into a theme. Does anyone have this in his Emacs toolbox? (I'd also plead for a separate custom file for faces, but that's a different issue.) -- Bastien ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
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