From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Johannes Weiner Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: whither GNU Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:36:09 +0200 Message-ID: <87hc9d1oye.fsf@skyscraper.fehenstaub.lan> References: <10697146.3630221218551689983.JavaMail.www@wwinf4615> <87d4k6qm9g.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87r68kr1v5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <48AE09B2.3080900@emf.net> <4eb0089f0808212040x33b77760id935e79982c85eee@mail.gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1219392338 5132 80.91.229.12 (22 Aug 2008 08:05:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 08:05:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "David Robinow" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 22 10:06:25 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KWRep-0000Wi-TO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:06:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60632 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KWRds-0008J5-Eh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 04:05:08 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KWRdo-0008HG-0P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 04:05:04 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KWRdm-0008Dv-8V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 04:05:03 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=34106 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KWRdm-0008Db-3X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 04:05:02 -0400 Original-Received: from mx20.gnu.org ([199.232.41.8]:44535) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KWRdl-0006Mh-9g for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 04:05:01 -0400 Original-Received: from saeurebad.de ([85.214.36.134]) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KWRCB-00029a-1n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 03:36:31 -0400 Original-Received: by saeurebad.de (Postfix, from userid 107) id CD4CB2F00CA; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:36:28 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (217-68-166-87.dynamic.primacom.net [217.68.166.87]) by saeurebad.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5602F2F00C6; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:36:28 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <4eb0089f0808212040x33b77760id935e79982c85eee@mail.gmail.com> (David Robinow's message of "Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:40:33 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.1.3 X-detected-kernel: by mx20.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:102811 Archived-At: Hi, "David Robinow" writes: > On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 8:17 PM, Juanma Barranquero wrote: >> On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 02:34, Thomas Lord wrote: >>> The GNU projects, especially central ones like Emacs, do >>> double duty as "messages" and their role as messages takes >>> priority over technical quality. >> >> That was pretty evident in the way bzr did get "chosen" as future dVCS >> for Emacs. > No, that's a separate issue. Thomas is referring to the (unnecessary) > war against non-free software having preference over the improvement > of free software. > The choice of bzr was perfectly reasonable. Emacs and bzr are part of > the GNU community. The choice has increased the "market share" of bzr > and has already led to improvements. > Are there still problems? I don't know. I haven't used it yet. If you > find any you should file a bug report. Perhaps the devs might not be quite sure about calling it a bug, but does it count when I say I have never ever checked out the bzr repository because I just aborted the operation when it still said `I am working' after almost 15 minutes? Btw, there is no point for me in filing a bug report. There is a free program that works way better for me and I am not interested in using something inferior. I would ponder if the other one was non-free but this way it's just ridiculous. Hannes