From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Hansen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Improving X selection? Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 05:09:49 +0200 Organization: disorganized Message-ID: <87hc98a2v6.fsf@localhorst.mine.nu> References: <20071012105022.6c8b174a@tweety> <874pgtfw1y.fsf@jbms.ath.cx> <4713067D.2060504@swipnet.se> <87fy0cdvr6.fsf@jbms.ath.cx> <471467FF.5070005@swipnet.se> <87vdxy2kwo.fsf@localhorst.mine.nu> <48AC9DB4.9020603@harpegolden.net> <87vdxqnllk.fsf@jurta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1219721057 27870 80.91.229.12 (26 Aug 2008 03:24:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:24:17 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 26 05:25:11 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KXpB8-0002qQ-1a for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 05:25:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35822 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KXpA9-0006Fh-Nz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:24:09 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KXp9b-00063y-FT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:23:35 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KXp9a-00063Z-QB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:23:35 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=36903 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KXp9a-00063U-MY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:23:34 -0400 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2]:51416 helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KXp9a-0001Oc-9E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:23:34 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1KXp9W-0001tv-8x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:23:30 +0000 Original-Received: from gpftor2.privacyfoundation.de ([85.25.152.185]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:23:30 +0000 Original-Received: from david.hansen by gpftor2.privacyfoundation.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:23:30 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 29 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: gpftor2.privacyfoundation.de Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:GikCsoQuT2GBXLsGceT6l5+JnVE= X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:102972 Archived-At: On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:34:31 +0300 Juri Linkov wrote: >>>>> Please ignore this if it's already been hammered to death, but what about >>>>> using C-Insert/Shift-Insert for the clipboard? >>>> That would make a lot of sense to me, >>> >>> Shift-Insert is kind of quasi standard to paste the *selection* on X11. >>> This would make emacs behavior even more "non standard". I don't care >>> much, just wanted to note that. >> >> Might be nicer the other way around i.e. C-w/M-w/C-y (and C-x/C-c/C-v in >> cua mode) to use CLIPBOARD and S-Delete/C-Insert/S-Insert to use PRIMARY.... >> >> In the end, like everything else in this area, probably need to be >> configurable to keep everyone happy, of course. ho hum. > > I often need to run Emacs without a .emacs file, and the first thing > I have to do every time after running Emacs is to type the long sequence > `M-x set-variable RET x-select-enable-clipboard RET t RET'. This is the > only default setting that makes Emacs unusable for me without customization. I completely agree that emacs should behave more like the ``other'' programs. Probably kill/yank using the clipboard should be the default. I just thought that using "Shift+Insert" for *clipboard* operations may make things even worse. AFAIK it's the default for GTK+ apps and some other X apps to paste the *selection*. David