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From: Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: yamaoka@jpl.org, yandros@MIT.EDU, ding@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Sending attachments
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 05:44:51 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87hbxqrha4.fsf@catnip.gol.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83hbxr0zc6.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:16:57 +0300")

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> > And this is out of scope for mail-mode, which (AFAIK) does not support
>> > news.
>> 
>> What exactly is the plan here?
>
> There is no plan (yet).  I was just trying to estimate the effort
> needed for adding simple attachment facility to mail-mode.  Plans, if
> there will be such, will come later.

So that would be the "let's add this one function now and
deal with the real problem later" answer, yes?

> I have no idea why you thought I was about to add ``leaky bandaids''.
> I didn't even say I'm going to write any code, let alone ``leaky''.
> And I don't think I ever added to Emacs such low-quality code that
> would justify you making such assumptions, should I decide to write
> some code.

I was not saying anything about your code (I wasn't even thinking you'd
write the code), and thus was making no assumptions about it.

The point was that real support for mime (as message-mode has today)
can't be done piecemeal, and that while adding "a little bit" of support
to mail-mode may be a _temporary_ fix for some people's perceived
problem, it isn't a good long-term solution -- and even in the
short-term it actually makes the duplication problem _worse_, so it
seems worth thinking about whether even that is actually desirable.

-Miles

-- 
Abstainer, n. A weak person who yields to the temptation of denying himself a
pleasure. A total abstainer is one who abstains from everything but
abstention, and especially from inactivity in the affairs of others.




  reply	other threads:[~2009-07-05 20:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 167+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-07-01 19:47 Sending attachments Richard Stallman
2009-07-01 19:58 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-05  0:06   ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-05 21:52     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-06  3:12       ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-11 15:38         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-06 15:04       ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-11 15:40         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-12 10:11           ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-13 12:14             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-14 10:44               ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-14 13:10                 ` Leo
2009-07-14 13:52                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-07-15 16:45                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-07-15 18:18                     ` Frank Schmitt
2009-07-16  4:42                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-07-16  5:19                         ` Jason Rumney
2009-07-16 14:30                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-07-15 18:27                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-16 16:17                     ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-16 18:17                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-07-17 12:20                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-07-19  0:55                           ` Mike Kupfer
2009-07-16  1:10                   ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-16  5:30                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-07-19  4:37                       ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-16 14:45                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-07-17 13:30                       ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-17 18:05                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-07-18 17:11                           ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-18 19:15                             ` rfc2047.el dependencies on mm-util.el (was: Sending attachments) Reiner Steib
2009-07-19  4:36                               ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-19  5:30                                 ` rfc2047.el dependencies on mm-util.el Stefan Monnier
2009-07-19 23:21                                   ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-20 18:21                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-20 18:26                                       ` Bastien
2009-07-20 18:45                                         ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-21 14:41                                           ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-19 18:10                                 ` rfc2047.el dependencies on mm-util.el (was: Sending attachments) Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-19 23:22                                   ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-22 21:57                                   ` Kevin Ryde
2009-07-18 17:11                           ` Sending attachments Richard Stallman
2009-07-14 16:17                 ` Jonathan Rockway
2009-07-14 18:33                 ` Bastien
2009-07-14 18:48                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-16  1:11                   ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-16  1:12                   ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-05 22:39     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-06 15:05       ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-07  9:43         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-01 23:34 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-02 19:21   ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-03  2:37     ` Miles Bader
2009-07-03  7:44       ` message-mode / mail-mode (was: Sending attachments) Teemu Likonen
2009-07-03  8:43         ` message-mode / mail-mode Miles Bader
2009-07-03  8:55           ` Miles Bader
2009-07-03  9:07           ` Teemu Likonen
2009-07-05 21:40           ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-06  6:45             ` Reiner Steib
2009-07-11 10:04               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-02  1:01 ` Sending attachments Robert J. Chassell
2009-07-02 13:39   ` Miles Bader
2009-07-02 14:33     ` Jason Rumney
2009-07-02 16:40     ` Reiner Steib
2009-07-03 22:52       ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-04 14:39         ` Robert J. Chassell
2009-07-04 15:19         ` Andreas Schwab
2009-07-02 17:26     ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-03 13:47       ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-03 14:21         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-05 21:41           ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-06 15:05             ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-06 16:07               ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-07 10:05                 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-07 12:19                   ` Andreas Schwab
2009-07-08  0:16                     ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-08  9:46                       ` Andreas Schwab
2009-07-08 18:34                         ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-08 20:36                           ` Reiner Steib
2009-07-09 11:53                             ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-08 11:41                       ` Jason Rumney
2009-07-08 13:41                         ` Miles Bader
2009-07-08 14:16                           ` Teemu Likonen
2009-07-08 14:27                             ` Miles Bader
2009-07-08 14:40                               ` Teemu Likonen
2009-07-08 15:09                               ` Jason Rumney
2009-07-09  2:47                                 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-09 11:54                               ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-09 20:43                                 ` Reiner Steib
2009-07-10  6:39                                   ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-10  9:02                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-07-10 11:01                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-10 11:55                                         ` Jason Rumney
2009-07-11 18:30                                           ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-10 12:42                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-07-11 18:29                                       ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-10  9:17                                     ` Jason Rumney
2009-07-08 19:07                         ` Reiner Steib
2009-07-09 11:54                         ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-09 20:47                           ` Reiner Steib
2009-07-08 19:08                       ` Reiner Steib
2009-07-07 12:48                   ` Jason Rumney
2009-07-06 16:16               ` Glenn Morris
2009-07-07 10:05                 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-03 17:37         ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-03 22:52           ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-04 15:11             ` Teemu Likonen
2009-07-04 15:54               ` Leo
2009-07-05 14:47             ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-06 20:13               ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-07  1:12                 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-07  3:22                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-07  4:54                     ` Miles Bader
2009-07-07 19:14                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-11 18:50                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-11 20:25                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-07  9:43                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-07 10:11                     ` Richard Riley
2009-07-07 13:53                     ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-07 10:05               ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-07 13:49                 ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-08  0:16                   ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-10 13:29                     ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-11 19:02                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-15 21:51             ` Reducing Gnus dependencies in message.el (was: Sending attachments) Reiner Steib
2009-07-03 14:21       ` Sending attachments Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-04 15:33         ` Chad Brown
2009-07-04 15:53           ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-04 17:08             ` Chad Brown
2009-07-05 10:18               ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-05  1:40             ` Daniel Pittman
2009-07-05  2:39             ` Miles Bader
2009-07-05  3:18               ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-05  3:44                 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-05 18:16                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-05 20:44                     ` Miles Bader [this message]
2009-07-06  3:15                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-06  3:50                         ` Miles Bader
2009-07-06  4:54                           ` Miles Bader
2009-07-06 20:06                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-06 22:35                               ` Miles Bader
2009-07-07  0:59                                 ` Kenichi Handa
2009-07-07  9:43                                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-08  0:16                                   ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-11 15:45                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-06  6:37                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-06  7:47                             ` Miles Bader
2009-07-06 20:08                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-06 14:13                             ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-06 20:15                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-07  5:57                             ` Giorgos Keramidas
2009-07-06 15:05                       ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-11 19:08                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-11 19:41                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-12  3:05                             ` Leo
2009-07-12  3:10                               ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-13 12:11                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-15  9:35                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-15 11:44                                 ` Richard Riley
2009-07-15 14:22                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-05 22:56                     ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-06 20:10                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-05  8:01               ` Andreas Schwab
2009-07-05  8:30                 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-06 15:05               ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-05 20:05         ` Byung-Hee HWANG
2009-07-05 20:22           ` Alfred M. Szmidt

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