From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs learning curve Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 07:57:12 +0200 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: <87hbjcdyrr.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <10954D02-E217-49F3-8824-757DA34074AB@gmail.com> <83zkxzakr0.fsf@gnu.org> <83pqyva8ms.fsf@gnu.org> <834ofczxv2.fsf@gnu.org> <83zkx4ygne.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1280815071 20285 80.91.229.12 (3 Aug 2010 05:57:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 05:57:51 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 03 07:57:50 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OgAVX-0004sO-TP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 03 Aug 2010 07:57:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55451 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OgAVX-0000me-0T for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 03 Aug 2010 01:57:47 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=35089 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OgAVJ-0000li-Kl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Aug 2010 01:57:34 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OgAVI-0005o7-2G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Aug 2010 01:57:33 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:37757) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OgAVH-0005nq-O7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Aug 2010 01:57:32 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OgAVD-0004jz-Cn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Aug 2010 07:57:27 +0200 Original-Received: from p508ec869.dip.t-dialin.net ([80.142.200.105]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 03 Aug 2010 07:57:27 +0200 Original-Received: from dak by p508ec869.dip.t-dialin.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 03 Aug 2010 07:57:27 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 30 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p508ec869.dip.t-dialin.net X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:oMJHAXA+QjSNPzBZYBYeEzNgv70= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:128175 Archived-At: Lennart Borgman writes: > On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >>> From: Lennart Borgman >>> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 20:37:59 +0200 >>> Cc: levelhalom@gmail.com, Stefan Monnier , >>>       emacs-devel@gnu.org >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 8:13 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >>> > >>> > If someone needs a data point that terminology doesn't matter much, >>> > read the manual for Vim -- it uses non-standard terminology (including >>> > "yank", btw, and other weirdly named commands), and yet is very >>> > popular. >>> >>> I think that the situation is different for Vim. For example since it >>> uses "y" as a command prefix then talking about "yank" makes sense. >> >> For the same reason, it makes sense in Emacs, since we have C-y. > > It makes a bit sense, yes, but not as much as in vi. Emacs key > bindings are customizable. And a lot of people (including me) would > not even use it if it were not. That is not the case for vi. Well, why don't you customize your documentation then in order to match your keybindings? That way you need not bother anybody else without stopping for more than two days at a time. -- David Kastrup