From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sebastian Rose Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: C-d deleting region considered harmful Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 22:42:55 +0200 Message-ID: <87hbhmdbqo.fsf@gmx.de> References: <87eicrx1ls.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <83lj6zz9o0.fsf@gnu.org> <4C94ED16.8010100@gmail.com> <9DDC30C126BB4F8DBB4BDF7C977457B1@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1284842615 27965 80.91.229.12 (18 Sep 2010 20:43:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 20:43:35 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 'Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen' , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Drew Adams" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 18 22:43:34 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ox4Fx-00023s-Je for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 22:43:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37611 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ox4Fw-0000Lf-SL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 16:43:32 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=42733 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ox4Fo-0000Jh-Ql for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 16:43:26 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ox4FS-0003Qr-U5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 16:43:03 -0400 Original-Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.23]:51304 helo=mail.gmx.net) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ox4FS-0003QX-HP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 16:43:02 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 18 Sep 2010 20:43:00 -0000 Original-Received: from df01ppp166.eplus-online.de (EHLO beteigeuze.gmx.de) [212.23.104.166] by mail.gmx.net (mp015) with SMTP; 18 Sep 2010 22:43:00 +0200 X-Authenticated: #8529601 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18oKKgYQ4coEH5no0ZhsEFbrQQU5qBH5kOGekv6z4 6xlij6Z2Xavj2i In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Sat, 18 Sep 2010 12:13:25 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:130458 Archived-At: > The default behavior should be the behavior that we think is best out of the > box. THIS is reasonable. >> After all, experienced Emacs users know (or should know) that >> they can twiddle some variables to get any old behaviour back. This is NOT reasonable at all and was said too many times. BTW: New users are NO reason for a change. It just pure virtual and holds no truth at all -- it cannot. Most "normal" applications are inferior to Emacs, that's why we all use Emacs in the end. So how can those "normal" applications rule Emacs ???? I for one do not want to hear that virtual "new users" argument any more on a reasonable mailing list. It is NO argument. Technical advantages, reasonable behaviour and preferences ARE arguments for changes or, in this case, against them. Deleting regions through simple editing commands is NOT reasonable. It slows down editing and is non-productive (some say dangerous). Sebastian