From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: `C-b' is backward-char, `left' is left-char - why? Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 08:57:31 +0200 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: <87hb8fnwh0.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <6F4054004B154CFB8E2753172D316C13@us.oracle.com> <83tycfc0l0.fsf@gnu.org> <392401A7079D400E86B791262598387D@us.oracle.com> <707AB93AD8B44FF38153911DD6D0E21A@us.oracle.com> <1905F82F81C54CF6B063E694DAAD92B5@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1306565876 12573 80.91.229.12 (28 May 2011 06:57:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 06:57:56 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 28 08:57:52 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QQDT6-0005HY-2s for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 28 May 2011 08:57:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49167 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QQDT5-0003Up-Pc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 28 May 2011 02:57:51 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:50173) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QQDT4-0003Uj-Fa for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 May 2011 02:57:51 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QQDT3-0003YQ-GN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 May 2011 02:57:50 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:50145) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QQDT3-0003YL-5W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 May 2011 02:57:49 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QQDSy-0005EW-VO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 May 2011 08:57:44 +0200 Original-Received: from p508ea167.dip.t-dialin.net ([80.142.161.103]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 28 May 2011 08:57:44 +0200 Original-Received: from dak by p508ea167.dip.t-dialin.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 28 May 2011 08:57:44 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 37 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p508ea167.dip.t-dialin.net X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:x/lKwCt88zLiidYIis+O3K+6sV0= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 80.91.229.12 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:139816 Archived-At: "Drew Adams" writes: >> >> > Enabling (or disabling) as an option - is that impossible? >> >> >> >> Certainly not.  You can set the option like so: >> >> (global-set-key (kbd "") 'backward-char) >> > >> > Not at all what I meant, as you no doubt know. >> >> I know, but is it worse than "(setq backward-is-always-left t)"? > > Of course it is. It affects only one command. Presumably your option > would affect all or most of the commands that are directional. So you get the keybinding "backward-char" for C-b, and the keybinding "maybe-backward-char-if-backward-is-always-left-is-set-and-left-char-otherwise" for left. Namely two different bindings, one looking up backward-is-always-left, one ignoring it. What is that supposed to buy you over backward-char and left-char? > The point was that the default bindings of various commands have come > in sets, and we are breaking up some of those sets. So it appears that you want to have left-char and right-char, after picking their choice of forward-char and backward-char, to check if any of the latter have a remapping in place. > The question was whether this is necessary. That question has been answered. That you refuse to hear the answer does not change that. -- David Kastrup