From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Daiki Ueno Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Opportunistic STARTTLS in smtpmail.el Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 20:45:40 +0900 Message-ID: <87hb884ftn.fsf-ueno@unixuser.org> References: <87liyndz5l.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87y61nnpoq.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87fwnuacc5.fsf@lifelogs.com> <878vtmo081.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87tycamhmv.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87pqmxvfoh.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87sjrttwh8.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1307019129 9367 80.91.229.12 (2 Jun 2011 12:52:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 12:52:09 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 02 14:52:05 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QS7Nc-0006oa-WC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 02 Jun 2011 14:52:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42854 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QS7Nb-0003dH-NP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 02 Jun 2011 08:52:03 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:51153) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QS6VM-0006IB-S6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jun 2011 07:56:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QS6VJ-0005yV-VJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jun 2011 07:56:00 -0400 Original-Received: from ivory4.scn-net.ne.jp ([219.117.176.192]:57429) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QS6VJ-0005xm-6M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jun 2011 07:55:57 -0400 Original-Received: from ([192.168.0.187]) (envelope sender: ) by ivory4.scn-net.ne.jp with Active!Hunter esmtp server; Thu, 2 Jun 2011 20:45:47 +0900 Original-Received: Received: from well-done.deisui.org (g187018.scn-net.ne.jp [202.83.187.18]) (authenticated) by blue17.scn-net.ne.jp (unknown) with ESMTP id p52BjlLe031379 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2011 20:45:47 +0900 In-Reply-To: (Robert Pluim's message of "Thu, 02 Jun 2011 10:57:41 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.3 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-Received-From: 219.117.176.192 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:140058 Archived-At: Robert Pluim writes: > Stefan Monnier writes: > >>> From my perspective the chief benefit is that any `auth-source-search' >>> call against an unencrypted file will not require a passphrase until the >>> password is actually needed, and yet the password will be stored >>> securely. >> >> Sounds OK. But only if you push if further and deprecate >> authinfo.gpg. > > I'm not clear on why you'd want that. I can imagine someone wanting to > hide username & server identities from inspection, not just the > associated passwords. ie I distinguish 3 cases > > 1) everything unencrypted > 2) passwords encrypted only > 3) everything encrypted That reminds me of Lars' post on the Gnus list: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/77172 in the discussion: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/77009/focus=77143 where I suggested to have a separate file to store unencrypted information along with authinfo.gpg. I can't remember what was the conclusion :) Regards, -- Daiki Ueno