From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Please don't refer to Emacs as "open source" Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 10:02:19 +0900 Message-ID: <87hb7oeyuc.fsf@catnip.gol.com> References: <010001cc29eb$fc806cb0$f5814610$@cs.ua.edu> <87vcw9ksdd.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87hb7rlmjt.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <4DF9905A.1020406@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1308358967 31150 80.91.229.12 (18 Jun 2011 01:02:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 01:02:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Paul Eggert , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 18 03:02:43 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QXjvv-0000WO-IP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 03:02:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34089 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QXjvu-0000o2-24 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 21:02:42 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:33412) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QXjve-0000nV-Vx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 21:02:27 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QXjvc-0006dJ-K9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 21:02:26 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp12.dentaku.gol.com ([203.216.5.74]:51596) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QXjvc-0006cn-7c; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 21:02:24 -0400 Original-Received: from 218.231.154.3.eo.eaccess.ne.jp ([218.231.154.3] helo=catnip.gol.com) by smtp12.dentaku.gol.com with esmtpa (Dentaku) (envelope-from ) id 1QXjvY-00014M-Tl; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 10:02:20 +0900 Original-Received: by catnip.gol.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C948CDF8D; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 10:02:19 +0900 (JST) System-Type: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Thu, 16 Jun 2011 16:11:34 -0400") Original-Lines: 25 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV GOL (outbound) X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 203.216.5.74 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:140640 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > FLOSS, for "Free/libre and open source software", is a reasonable term > to use to talk about both the free software movement and the open > source camp. A good treatment will also state what each of the two > camps stands for, since most readers are misinformed about both. > > FOSS puts us at a disadvantage because "open source" is more visible > than "free software". Adding "/libre" balances that out. Hmm, I'm not sure I get the "more visible" part -- "free" is the very first thing in the FOSS acronym, it always seemed to me like a not-so-subtle way of saying "free software and oh yeah, that other thing, open source"... FOSS and FLOSS both "feel" about the same to me. I like adding libre since it's a nice evocative word, so it seems kind of a shame that "FLOSS" also has the potentially confusing mundane meaning as word ... hMmm ... "Proprietary software making your mouth feel dirty? Always remember to FLOSS!" :] -miles -- You can hack anything you want, with TECO and DDT.