From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nic Ferrier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Lisp's future Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 11:53:16 +0100 Message-ID: <87ha06zffn.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> References: <87wq97i78i.fsf@earlgrey.lan> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1410951227 12629 80.91.229.3 (17 Sep 2014 10:53:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 10:53:47 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 17 12:53:40 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XUCri-00041B-RT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 12:53:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43985 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XUCri-0005zU-72 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 06:53:38 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54960) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XUCrY-0005rE-Au for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 06:53:35 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XUCrR-00046W-5u for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 06:53:28 -0400 Original-Received: from static.17.66.46.78.clients.your-server.de ([78.46.66.17]:55470 helo=po1.ferrier.me.uk) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XUCrR-000469-04 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 06:53:21 -0400 Original-Received: from nicferrier-dell-xps (140.35.155.90.in-addr.arpa [90.155.35.140]) by po1.ferrier.me.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 27F9BAC0A95; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 13:08:14 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from nicferrier-XPS13-9333 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nicferrier-dell-xps (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C1036025B; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 11:53:16 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Wed, 17 Sep 2014 12:48:34 +0200") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 78.46.66.17 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:174408 Archived-At: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: > I think there's a somewhat greater cultural overlap between Emacs Lisp > and Common Lisp people ("get things done") than between Emacs Lisp > people and Scheme people ("interesting academically"). > > Anyway, I think the dangled sorta-promise that Emacs would eventually > shift to Guile might have stifled Emacs Lisp development. Whenever > somebody has brought up the issue of evolving Emacs Lisp (to > multi-threadedness or whatever's fun), they're usually discouraged by > others piping in with "oh, Emacs is moving to Guile, anyway, so don't > bother". I don't think that's true. >From my perspective, what's stopping more people getting involved is the community, which is sometimes quite negative and the tooling, which is baroque. The tooling is being fixed. I am *very* excited about that. I hope the tooling will bring more people which will re-energize the current community and add positivity. Nic