From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 22:49:35 +0100 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: <87h9x9rcls.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <20141205123549.GA29331@thyrsus.com> <87mw72lyzs.fsf@earlgrey.lan> <20141205190925.GA5067@thyrsus.com> <871tod241v.fsf@ktab.red-bean.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417816222 26262 80.91.229.3 (5 Dec 2014 21:50:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 21:50:22 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 05 22:50:17 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xx0lU-0005E7-BG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 22:50:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52598 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xx0lT-0000Xe-Vj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 16:50:15 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52879) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xx0lN-0000X1-5i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 16:50:13 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xx0lH-0006q0-7E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 16:50:09 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:38255) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xx0lH-0006p4-0r for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 16:50:03 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xx0lG-00056E-AX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 22:50:02 +0100 Original-Received: from x2f51fab.dyn.telefonica.de ([2.245.31.171]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 22:50:02 +0100 Original-Received: from dak by x2f51fab.dyn.telefonica.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 22:50:02 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 37 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: x2f51fab.dyn.telefonica.de X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:f6tf/WlFxZG7wRhj8+H8bliRzQU= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179028 Archived-At: Karl Fogel writes: > "Eric S. Raymond" writes: >>Christopher Allan Webber : >>> Here's where I'm a bit surprised... I'm not sure that new GNU projects >>> should have to use Texinfo, but why not put efforts into improving >>> Texinfo's HTML output? >> >>Because Texinfo is a barrier in itself, full of ceremony and heavyweight >>markup. The state of the art has moved well past it - modern formats >>like asciidoc (or perhaps even org - others may be right about that) >>are both lighter and more powerful. > > +1 on Org, Asciidoc, Markdown, or any other format that meets the > criteria: > > - Raw source is readable as-is > > - Has free software tools to generate good HTML > (and we then treat HTML as the default output format) > > - Markup syntax is not burdensome Texinfo? > Equally important would be getting a situation where Emacs developers > can also easily edit the Emacs web pages at gnu.org (which by virtue > of URL will always have an officiality advantage for developers > seeking information, so we should use that advantage to > our... advantage), by having those pages be generated from markup > source in our tree. You mean, like _all_ of the web presence of GNU LilyPond is generated from Texinfo source? -- David Kastrup