From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Engster Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: IDE Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 22:25:40 +0200 Message-ID: <87h9lyo4hn.fsf@isaac.fritz.box> References: <5610207A.2000300@harpegolden.net> <83fv1r3gzp.fsf@gnu.org> <83bncf3f9k.fsf@gnu.org> <5610E0BC.8090902@online.de> <83si5r106e.fsf@gnu.org> <831td9z18h.fsf@gnu.org> <5612E996.7090700@yandex.ru> <83bnc7tavr.fsf@gnu.org> <5618C92A.3040207@yandex.ru> <83a8rrt9ag.fsf@gnu.org> <87oag7hx0t.fsf@isaac.fritz.box> <83y4fbrqhn.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1444508785 25428 80.91.229.3 (10 Oct 2015 20:26:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 20:26:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, adatgyujto@gmail.com, dgutov@yandex.ru To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 10 22:26:15 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Zl0ib-0004vG-4V for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 22:26:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46265 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zl0ia-0007jC-0w for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 16:26:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:57758) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zl0iD-0007if-SL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 16:25:50 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zl0iA-0004kp-OL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 16:25:49 -0400 Original-Received: from randomsample.de ([5.45.97.173]:55875) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zl0iA-0004kk-FU; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 16:25:46 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=randomsample.de; s=a; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From; bh=HNvTbzxuHmyZc1L1SmNB02N3+V7g1KlgG3NokNAF4vw=; b=MulzsUoqc16u/0qBLMwqFBhYI64WaDnmkNJzEJ9Kaiph7+3QkMZz3KTxwSxpAtUUp26lpmX8nuNigVnbH21isRaL/pn7LAL+gCJIRJTeBi7FM16AU7WhHQT9dwxpzjzy; Original-Received: from ip4d1645ea.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de ([77.22.69.234] helo=isaac.fritz.box) by randomsample.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Zl0i9-0002sd-0C; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 22:25:45 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83y4fbrqhn.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 10 Oct 2015 13:02:12 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13001 (Ma Gnus v0.10) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 5.45.97.173 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:191176 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: David Engster >> Cc: Dmitry Gutov , adatgyujto@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 11:51:14 +0200 >> >> Eli Zaretskii writes: >> > And if anyone _really_ cares about supporting C/C++, they should be >> > working with and on GCC's libcc1, >> >> Getting the AST is not a technical problem; libcc1 does not change >> anything. > > We don't even know whether libcc1 provides any features useful for an > IDE, including information that could be used fro completion. AFAICS, libcc1 does not provide anything new. It seems to be some kind of library wrapper for a plugin to access gcc's frontend. It's not even mentioned in gcc's release notes. > We also don't know what is the final verdict on having GCC emit tree > information. Any year now. > I'd expect a person who is motivated to work on these features, if we > have such a person among us, to be on top of those two issues, as well > as many others. > > But I agree: it's not a technical problem. It's a problem of being > motivated enough to overcome such obstacles. Yes, I should've stuck with clang in the first place. -David