From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Dynamic loading progress Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2015 09:01:53 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87h9kxx60e.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <5625B166.3080104@dancol.org> <86zizdczhp.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <871tc315y3.fsf@lifelogs.com> <83611eqk9w.fsf@gnu.org> <878u6ax7c7.fsf@lifelogs.com> <83k2ptq5t3.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1446904951 11794 80.91.229.3 (7 Nov 2015 14:02:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 14:02:31 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 07 15:02:24 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Zv44V-0000Dk-IC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 07 Nov 2015 15:02:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43988 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zv44V-0004nb-2t for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 07 Nov 2015 09:02:23 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34954) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zv44I-0004nK-9i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Nov 2015 09:02:11 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zv44F-0003xC-2A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Nov 2015 09:02:10 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:52686) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zv44E-0003wb-Sj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Nov 2015 09:02:07 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Zv44B-0008KC-Ui for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Nov 2015 15:02:04 +0100 Original-Received: from 98.229.60.157 ([98.229.60.157]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 07 Nov 2015 15:02:03 +0100 Original-Received: from tzz by 98.229.60.157 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 07 Nov 2015 15:02:03 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 27 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 98.229.60.157 X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.130012 (Ma Gnus v0.12) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:JWMR541N86Q/5eY6vOB78AAqXAM= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:193536 Archived-At: On Sat, 07 Nov 2015 15:48:08 +0200 Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Ted Zlatanov >> Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2015 08:33:12 -0500 >> EZ> I don't see any reasons to disagree. But adding such a feature, IME, EZ> needs more than just one week before we shake it up enough. >> >> I agree, but please recall it's been brewing for a very long time, so >> it's not something we just started. EZ> I know. But if you mean to imply that a week might be enough, then I EZ> don't think so. As long as the feature is on a separate branch, it EZ> doesn't get enough exposure to users, neither wrt possible build-time EZ> complications, nor wrt run-time problems. There are just too many EZ> corner cases which are only visible once the feature is on master. Yes, and that's exactly why we need it in master. I think 1 week is the time to feature freeze, but we have lots of time to fix bugs and issues. Changing the module ABI/API for instance is IMHO perfectly OK during the feature freeze. The feature is "dynamic modules" not a specific version thereof, until Emacs is released. Then it becomes "dynamic modules as defined by 25.1" and we have to live with them :) Ted