From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Uwe Brauer Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: dropping support for old Emacsen Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2015 15:33:42 +0000 Message-ID: <87h9kwqze1.fsf@mat.ucm.es> References: <20151011210306.16935.15935@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <87a8qs2oy8.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87h9kz17hb.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1446996863 27630 80.91.229.3 (8 Nov 2015 15:34:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 15:34:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 08 16:34:14 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZvRyw-00050d-7F for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 08 Nov 2015 16:34:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47782 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZvRyv-0006ya-7y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 08 Nov 2015 10:34:13 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:57835) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZvRyj-0006yV-3j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Nov 2015 10:34:01 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZvRyf-0003R7-OG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Nov 2015 10:34:01 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:37522) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZvRyf-0003QC-IC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Nov 2015 10:33:57 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZvRyd-0004g4-G6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Nov 2015 16:33:55 +0100 Original-Received: from 171.pool85-55-19.dynamic.orange.es ([85.55.19.171]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 08 Nov 2015 16:33:55 +0100 Original-Received: from oub by 171.pool85-55-19.dynamic.orange.es with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 08 Nov 2015 16:33:55 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 30 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 171.pool85-55-19.dynamic.orange.es Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.13001 (Ma Gnus v0.10) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:LuPXzlchhpQ27zH426bWeLc37ds= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:193612 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:86266 Archived-At: >>> "Ted" == Ted Zlatanov writes: > On Fri, 06 Nov 2015 11:22:22 +0900 Katsumi Yamaoka wrote: KY> On Thu, 05 Nov 2015 15:03:59 -0500, Ted Zlatanov wrote: >>> Maybe drop Gnus support for Emacs 23.x and old XEmacs too? >>> I think we've had too many of these annoyances over the years. KY> making Gnus drop old Emacsen is a good idea. Probably dropping Emacs KY> 23 won't trouble many users. But what is old XEmacs to be? In some KY> sense, all XEmacsen is old. ;-) I think 21.5.34 should be at least considered not dead... > I should note I've brought this up before. Crossposting to the Gnus > mailing list as well. Concretely, the proposal is to support only Emacs > 24.x in Gnus. If XEmacs or Emacs 23 support breaks, then users can > submit patches but it won't be a primary focus for the developers. > On Fri, 06 Nov 2015 10:41:16 +0100 David Kastrup wrote: DK> I am not in a position to prescribe to Gnus developers how they DK> are maintaining their software. Maybe Gnus stopping to support DK> XEmacs 21.4 is the kick in the behind that XEmacs needs for DK> preparing a new "stable" release rather than face the prospect of DK> having to backport or freeze Gnus. But I don't know how receptive DK> to kicks that behind might be right now. For most active users, DK> XEmacs 21.4 does not appear to be more than a practical joke. Sadly enough most debian based distribution still ship it instead of 21.5.34 which is more decent.