From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Speed of keyboard macro execution? Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 22:01:50 +0100 Message-ID: <87h9jqrpa9.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <20151209163954.0cefcc7f@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <87si3bcltu.fsf@isaac.fritz.box> <20151209180343.5a67c0e7@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <83r3iu9rvp.fsf@gnu.org> <20151210120051.6be8201f@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <87k2omciy2.fsf@isaac.fritz.box> <20151210123312.39c417c9@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <83lh929omw.fsf@gnu.org> <87k2omta6x.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83d1ue9lns.fsf@gnu.org> <87fuzat7ot.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <837fkm9ire.fsf@gnu.org> <20151210151631.3b07c461@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <87twnqrqgx.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1449782231 22755 80.91.229.3 (10 Dec 2015 21:17:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 21:17:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Perry E. Metzger" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 10 22:17:11 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1a78aM-0007j0-6x for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 22:17:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44520 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a78aL-0005k5-H0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 16:17:09 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51407) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a78Zq-0005fp-SR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 16:16:39 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a78Zq-00032u-2v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 16:16:38 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:58028) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a78Zp-00032q-Vs; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 16:16:38 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43610 helo=lola) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1a78Zl-00038a-1u; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 16:16:33 -0500 Original-Received: by lola (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B78B0DF4FD; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 22:01:50 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: (John Wiegley's message of "Thu, 10 Dec 2015 12:43:23 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:196070 Archived-At: John Wiegley writes: >>>>>> David Kastrup writes: > >> Visual positioning makes no sense without visual feedback. Can you show a >> single example of a task to be done by a keyboard macro where visual >> positioning would _help_ achieve that task rather than sabotage it? > > I don't get this argument. What is the real problem here? I've never > faced on issue on this point with macros before, and I've been using > them for a long time. Have you ever had a case where visual positioning during macro recording/replay was helpful? Or have you "never faced this issue" merely because your lines were short enough that the difference was irrelevant? > In cases where visual positioning became a problem, I used > `toggle-truncate-lines'. Depending on what font highlighting may do, vertical movement based on visual entities is still different. > I'd much rather have intervention be manual, than changing the core > behavior in ways that are hard to understand. It may well be that > there are times when I want visual positioning without feedback, > simply because it matches what I'm expecting to happen. So you don't have an example where having macros recorded/replayed using visual movements would be useful, but you would not want it different on principle. Can we have an option to customize for less principled people? -- David Kastrup