From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Po Lu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 18:08:52 +0800 Message-ID: <87h7xe79l7.fsf@yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="125200"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Emacs developers To: ndame Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 20 12:09:50 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jQTN7-000WTv-Kd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 12:09:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60954 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQTN6-00008O-Jl for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 06:09:48 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51484 helo=eggs1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQTMM-0007fM-Gr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 06:09:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs1p.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQTML-0005RH-LW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 06:09:02 -0400 Original-Received: from sonic302-21.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([66.163.186.147]:42449) by eggs1p.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQTML-0005OQ-7Y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 06:09:01 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1587377339; bh=b5wmQj1BctBxHObOknXdZDK8uQNGKVlLbJAE1SJHAJ0=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=ZKGk1ZH4oUIX6ygntDXiHSFvhNBhUooB/EsRbKOEAkvJqTMDsT6DC14wDShFsizV8u6CyVLJY/jCOKN73P2b2LUXRyIIMyKbIbZhUfMgTEwmsKq7pAHf6DWjL6KJR/A4PDSbzSE+COUry1ppQRsiJSEtXi9eDPd7uTUmFXHaexNZYPRE1wf2XFK9UfukmFS0R34ojEJOSXg4JWO5jS9AnZBQuChVY5WQafWH59nM45f24PZmKEqHg0IDXv9kME676w/EOgmYUK+SA3/akzKQ+jyOhkujf772l7iWnx/ozgN68Sd9US0fwFU+RZAaecAzqxVmNq2CeqcUNjSwXTli8Q== X-YMail-OSG: y1z5A_sVM1mwgb6RyPMlBeozxWvSNSg_bnjSqPOrz_UuO14_ZodMiMLoGiLSPm5 FQxLTtrcjsMbaURDflePi4apZS3pL92TjfPWH_.AZ80FSjm_WTuoCN.UtZpdKFhzd5R3jmdnBb80 QrQmKgayUwsqmwE4rSFZbc0L0XIVYS4fiDGav5T.dk5O4iGMW6ncNmAeJIz.M5yTVy7FYCNEQke6 U9twoq84N6k5O3WAGxW8KnSJ8hh.2fuliUk8osyQP_mc_oylUQKMdhqFdD1bWinYTSdgWQ.abKbh ISJk.XDibGgTnWo0jhTLMlwPDqPFzbmLq2gJ4Z5TI3ATqAzB1SGsnbZTOCO1aZ.8qZdf_CSTC7yf n8jy9Hp1ZcleAYWzvAUkBGeBWmeLknvbqESGeEEt4cfj5rDEM7cIJH5Y0lAR2V91MQOR1QV.8n2B UR2zspfSsXva4q2sJ7bGiSCe_p3TK0j8K4KaYkhrhFU2771fbls9zys3gQUwUmKzNJXYuF9wgk7z mDCibkOvRZ166e.S855AfzFBkgHWswlBTfa_vOHnz4PYRPVpwP_JG3aHH25zjVg.zd5UbBI.ygXD PmNnAyrg2xqQptbs9R_qfAy0snbu02eOQRSz6oJeDRYMkirCTUffkG0SxGxA4tuw2BYlgnlaTYWH YplYI8qjoua5FahlD8L2KpQq0W79MzJbU1JGqZO7NGqjpurhPnulWsqkhWrQN19XHir7b3lASrdB _h1XoBYJqUNTYX388S_5v2AJp4LcCBTL84QA2Ak_av6HDOTdUJBZiCozfVeoDnu_Co_PmxvfOzrQ 5c162wFQ6VKeFXJ3_.FvwLz59ecQCKTYblALwTx2N7 Original-Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic302.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 10:08:59 +0000 Original-Received: by smtp428.mail.sg3.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 601426598b0d5a38bd9b6a5f06d205c1; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 10:08:54 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: (ndame@protonmail.com's message of "Mon, 20 Apr 2020 06:22:22 +0000") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.15651 hermes Apache-HttpAsyncClient/4.1.4 (Java/11.0.6) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.186.147; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic302-21.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs1p.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/04/20 05:32:04 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.1-3.10 X-Received-From: 66.163.186.147 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247374 Archived-At: ndame writes: > VSCode does this well. It provides a great out of box experience, most > things work out of the box, or just a plugin install away. In case of > LSP it may also download and install an LSP server, not just a client. IIRC, lsp-mode has good support for automagically downloading popular LSP servers. Perhaps that could be added to eglot? > I don't think it's realistic for Emacs to compete with that. There are > the legal issues, for example, which I assume prevent installing > Non-GNU binaries from the net and not all LSP servers have GNU license > AFAIK. There are legal issues with shipping code /with/ Emacs that has not been copyright assigned to the FSF. I don't think anyone would mind if a package shipped with Emacs automatically downloaded and installed a free language server. (and I haven't actually seen any non-free language servers.) If memory serves, someone proposed finding promising new packages and asking the authors about including it inside Emacs (or ELPA). I find that would also be a nice idea.