From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Changes for emacs 28 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 19:51:11 +0200 Message-ID: <87h7s55xm8.fsf@gnus.org> References: <20200906133719.cu6yaldvenxubcqq.ref@Ergus> <20200906133719.cu6yaldvenxubcqq@Ergus> <83lfhnnew7.fsf@gnu.org> <20200906163418.3p2wuygb4osm76wa@Ergus> <20200906203807.u237c3h22oxwtmba@Ergus> <87tuwabm5a.fsf@gnus.org> <9fb02447-6189-490f-a6ee-3d037492e0e6@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5487"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Gregory Heytings , Robert Pluim , Emacs developers To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 10 19:52:49 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kGQka-0001Jj-Pz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 19:52:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45800 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGQkZ-00051j-Q6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 13:52:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47668) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGQjE-0003Bv-K9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 13:51:24 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2]:58970) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGQjC-00065u-Pi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 13:51:24 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=O+H/YxqghL+H4vherxY/lgr+Vn8BpNDvBKm/W6t7XMY=; b=nTebHODncbmD2tyXy/05hBFkjf eb9eZfzgLlLH5nvC59cnsAG1pMKZ91tPALlBhDH+BypvkCPcGIANWqdVKxXzu0AGzEG7mmXnYrDnq ew+3I+I7EgjkCk1quY86DsGGq2E9srmamU1SjEAUnPErD8rLEYIxnubAd4RQAPwQ8y7g=; Original-Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kGQj2-0000fD-Q4; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 19:51:18 +0200 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAIVBMVEX91TLTslNnVi+Q Z0hzST/+4jXKr5KQXjvz75x1TDr///8yzuf9AAAAAWJLR0QKaND0VgAAAAd0SU1FB+QJChEvDVLl /LYAAAGiSURBVDjLnVKxboMwEDWKqBhxozbJXnUOMgTxBVU3Z0DqiqisdEvFgBhRJOQxEUjR/W0P Aw4Ypt7CyY/33vmdCSHkeU+W643xvrMnH/Ke8kWCnSXLALE8dxmgh8TQ6BXE9DjWwq5FR+eOlH7Q nW8rMTL5kvL73JJWCR1721JW4f1lPgkqpdAEyodOEOZFBZwVOZwAO8CaSaHCUbA8m8dDOE7lGwTO MdZYSvnzy43fbW7jVGVueMQ2puGI0xogmAJxq5dnAIUBtMr2moU5uIZHf/XovLQdFeL8eipEZkgp AJUuAGNKrEMsRgDegPbuKsTg4Vh+9O1RpKEOER1l5OpNba5cE+QlqnWf1lpJVFG/HSSXRTOYr+oQ HTvV5HUDcBso+D/Ujxaug3mrdONdm+aFvrl6MzC0fuYNSk+JQIr6DQffaAdiAcaggG6ze41gDp8d kIjNOEMnZVE7ltNGOwFQGRpanGTl96K9CWMAzcnfyjKCXA+FQGsOZVTLHUzXt0LkgA+KgQEQa117 oOpuvoSiOwfj4XY+N4u6ZFYWpe3yyT/rD6Z+m7D9IMv2AAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOmNyZWF0ZQAyMDIw LTA5LTEwVDE3OjQ3OjEzKzAwOjAwGkKlugAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTptb2RpZnkAMjAyMC0wOS0xMFQx Nzo0NzoxMyswMDowMGsfHQYAAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: RATN's _J_: =?utf-8?B?IuOCguOBhuS4gOW6puOCqOODs+OCuOOCpw==?= =?utf-8?B?44OrIg==?= In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Thu, 10 Sep 2020 10:46:22 -0700 (PDT)") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255024 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: > Maybe so. I know nothing about such things, and > I don't really want to start fiddling with them. > > Outlook "just works" for me, with lots of mailing > lists and lots of interlocutors. I've seen this > problem only a few times, with a few correspondents. You're going to see it more and more with mailing lists. A person with a strict SPF/DMARC policy (and that's getting more and more common) has to have their From addresses rewritten by the mailing list software so that the mail isn't tagged as spam, which is why (for instance) Gregory's From header looks like: From: Gregory Heytings via "Emacs development discussions." The mailing list software puts the original From in the Reply-To header after doing this rewrite, and if you have software that (on a "wide reply") just sends the response to the Reply-To header, you end up in this mess. We all have to deal with the fallout of this debacle called "modern email". Fortunately, all the Emacs mail user agents all do the right thing here, so it's normally not a problem, but if Outlook does something insane (and when doesn't it?), you're going to have to adjust. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no