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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257520 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Ricardo Wurmus writes: > >> Another thing I noticed is that only the active modeline has variable >> pitch; perhaps all mode line faces (including mode-line-inactive) need >> adjustment? > > I don't see this -- perhaps you've altered that face yourself? Perhaps smart-mode-line did it. Sorry for the noise. >>> Other obvious candidates for variable-pitching are basically any mode >>> that displays data in tabular form. And, of course, the manuals, but >>> that'll happen by itself once we move from .info to .html. >> >> Will this move only affect Emacs? > > Yes. > >> Perhaps it would make sense to augment the Info format with extra >> information, so that all Info documentation would look better in all >> Info readers. > > That would require changing all those other Info readers, which isn't > feasible. There aren=E2=80=99t many Info readers, but there are countless .info docum= ents across GNU and beyond. Changing the Info format (and Info readers with it) seems the better choice. --=20 Ricardo