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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:261317 Archived-At: Thien-Thi Nguyen writes: > It sounds like you're talking about "continuous" vs "transient". > > What you seek is the first in a series of failures, no matter > the subsequent outcomes, in an attempt to reduce the variables. > > No matter the subsequent outcomes, because if they are: > > (a) success (transient state) we still might be legitimately > worried about that failure mode re-appearing; > > (b) failure (continuous state) we want to debug w/ as few > changes as possibile (reducing the variability). > > Bottom line: first failure is easier to debug (usually :-D). > > Did i miss anything? You have covered more. :-) For my simple case, I was interested in (b) only. (a) may be too complex. If a subsequent build is =E2=80=98success=E2= =80=99 then it could mean two things - (1) the issue is fixed (2) another commit has caused it to behave. If we have a good test case coverage then nothing to worry in case of (a).