From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal for an improved `help-for-help' Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2021 18:42:23 +0100 Message-ID: <87h7m5iagw.fsf@gnus.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27191"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Feb 21 18:43:58 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lDsly-0006yU-4D for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 18:43:58 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56408 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lDslx-0006R6-6q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 12:43:57 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37268) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lDskf-0005UJ-NL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 12:42:38 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2]:55920) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lDskX-0003Op-0J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 12:42:37 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=MIrMqoA0QOQk+3S2pVlM5MELZXXCi7iwpIy5HXiDIDA=; b=msKrtDMrgOpCR/9eFjHjb3z3yT odsVbmE+K8sB3s1GiL1ONwJy/HUKX0SQkve5WxZNifhJM1Fm9yUVwdrCLL7nfQuF+i1dv/oaC50qi FNLCxzjH6+aq/j48VN6dSj8B4jrMH4v1JuAHEZ3LV6wQCOweut7jgoG0XkPtHvxUO+bU=; Original-Received: from cm-84.212.220.105.getinternet.no ([84.212.220.105] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lDskS-0002gb-D2; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 18:42:26 +0100 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAElBMVEVSRlj01duxb3bk rK/++vv///8ckvcFAAAAAWJLR0QF+G/pxwAAAAd0SU1FB+UCFREoMYY9s4sAAAGnSURBVDjLdZPt dcMgDEVdZwIKAyT2AhZiAYr2n6lPEobQ0+hHYnStjyfhbfvfvj749zIfj+cbeIj/H9OWCJxPCpEp cHa2vxycTEkkSTWiOS1ihz8AqAVmBtiTAfiDdBBiRK5dHIQwImAZvjRAJwaeI2Kmqh4BHReaUrCm AvhxkEZxdIxRKUC3txtaqoGXbA0lpl8tQkiRrW4HIcMbqABJNnmehGfWKjVFCE/x2gXg0vlhQidG lfDPFK8vgHo9qOqEUCmYjJCuh4Lvx5CHnDrhdL0UtJPiXUL0N6Z8dtB0U5CAt/OBnAakIgIgU0Ia FM8vyWyAiRGAMywz3pAYFDTGEM4MNaYaRjoKAzgeqh+F30Dl4mftyAQFlACQWHTTzEWkkfqFHLTi ScjXZPfIQCWfNi3Dn2COvt6AZbWPIHQgcV2tlBu0FdQ0QPFVd1f7C0LyhbW7XamlF/WUcYJVGg0g KygzYhHiHbhA7lfTBLUREW0VzT5m0uM9XV9FZaz3xINfJQX4ImytzLgHaJFtJw7YdmW8UewAivUC jK+DYumgJp4EG25FO/4FhDDQhxFm/CIAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6Y3JlYXRlADIwMjEtMDItMjFUMTc6 NDA6NDkrMDA6MDBUI9oQAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOm1vZGlmeQAyMDIxLTAyLTIxVDE3OjQwOjQ5KzAw OjAwJX5irAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Now-Playing: Ryuichi Sakamoto's _Hidari Ude No Yume (1)_: "Slat Dance" In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Sun, 21 Feb 2021 06:06:58 -0600") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:265411 Archived-At: Stefan Kangas writes: > One of the usability complaints I've heard is that `help-for-help' > (`C-h C-h') could be better organized. I also think some colors could > really help in making it easier to navigate. Looks lot better to me. > I have also attached a patch, but it's very rough. I'm specifically > having some trouble with font-locking: It works if I copy the contents > of the " *Metahelp*" buffer and invoke the mode manually, but it will > not work when I say `C-h C-h'. Help with this is also welcome -- I'm > probably missing something obvious. Is using font locking the best option here, though? What about just inserting the text with the text properties already applied? (Drew responds here that he doesn't much like how `C-h C-h' works -- and I don't much like it either. But that's a different discussion.) -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no