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Sun, 19 Dec 2021 11:39:49 +0000 Original-Received: by kubenode519.mail-prod1.omega.sg3.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 6f6d33ac49493939b4e58e2929b82c88; Sun, 19 Dec 2021 11:39:42 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <87czlszvcu.fsf@telefonica.net> (=?utf-8?Q?=22=C3=93scar?= Fuentes"'s message of "Sun, 19 Dec 2021 12:29:05 +0100") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.19498 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.184.200; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic301-31.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:282417 Archived-At: =C3=93scar Fuentes writes: > I looked at the sources and quickly decided that I would only work with > that under duress. That applies to any large code one is not used to working with, be it based on GTK or Motif. > New hackers probably are more comfortable with GTK than with legacy X > libraries. Please take a look at `XTflash' and decide whether or not you are comfortable with the GTK code: it is representative of the many hoops we go through in order to work with GTK. Ditto for the pgtk port, which I found to somehow not be much better in this aspect. > No worries, I understand your position. On the past I supported Eli he > objected to removing the DOS port, so I say the same on your case: if > that is the price for keeping you hacking on Emacs, it is a good > trade-off. But let's not pretend that all that extra complexity has no > impact on others. I'm not pretending that any "extra complexity" has no impact on others, I'm saying that the Motif support adds so negligible an amount of complexity that it's not even possible to quantify whether or not it's extraneous.