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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:289980 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Philip, Philip Kaludercic writes: > Corwin Brust writes: >> On that note, how about asking in terms of geographical regions? E.g.: >> >> Where do you live? >> - Africa >> - Asia/Pacific (including the Indian Subcontinent) >> - Europe >> - North America >> - South America > > I believe this is better than nationality, though a little more details > wouldn=E2=80=99t be bad. If you group the middle east with New Zealand y= ou > might as well not ask where people live at all. The question seems > interesting to get a rough idea of how popular Emacs is in different > parts of the world, the difference between two neighbouring countries > seems negligible. Nationalities is a bit finer that what I think we want, but similarly I find continents a bit too coarse. > In this context it might also be interesting to ask what kind of > Hardware is being used and how they perceive performance to be like. I > can imagine that more people in the western world will have access to > newer and faster hardware, on which grounds they would argue for this or > that feature to be enabled. The survey could help show if e.g. people > in the global south are bound to older hardware that would suffer from > computationally intensive features. Not a bad idea! How about a question along these lines: =E2=94=8C=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80 =E2=94=82 RadioSelect(:emacs_performance, =E2=94=82 "How well does Emacs perform in your experience?", =E2=94=82 ["Very well, it's snappy", "Good but not great", =E2=94=82 "Alright", "Not well", "Poorly, it's slugish"]) =E2=94=94=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80 As well as say a question on how many years old the hardware is. > Another semi-unrelated question might be to estimate the popularity of > Emacs or other editors amongst other developers they know. I=E2=80=99d e= xpect > less interesting or consistent information to result from this, but it > might also help draw a picture of what options people consider in what > parts of the world. Hmm, perhaps. I=E2=80=99m not sure here. All the best, Timothy --=-=-=--