Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com> writes:

> Users of the GTK 3 build experience many, many problems.  The most
> recent such problem is bug#56869, which is definitely a bug in GTK.

Yes, and we have to fix bug#56869 by working around the problem, as we
do with all OS/library-related issues.  Just because it's something else
that's "wrong" doesn't mean we can ignore the issue.

> Taking into account the very low quality of the GDK X11 backend, which
> is not seeing active maintenance, shouldn't the build default to some
> other toolkit such as Motif, or even better, no toolkit at all?
>
> Especially considering that a GTK developer (the tail) wants to remove
> support for X11 (the dog) in future releases of GTK:
>
>   https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/5004

Love the ending there:

"Since this issue found its way on Phoronix and reddit I'm going to
temporarily lock it, to ensure a modicum of decency and avoid lowering
the bar of the comments."

Anyway, I'm all in favour of defaulting to a no-toolkit build (across
all systems -- the astounding success of VS Code has show that having a
consistent look across systems is much more important than respecting
the look of the OS).

But we have to fix the no-toolkit look before we can contemplate that.

1) New toolbar icons: