From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Po Lu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Abysmal state of GTK build Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 21:43:33 +0800 Message-ID: <87h725k8ze.fsf@yahoo.com> References: <87ilmlluxq.fsf.ref@yahoo.com> <87ilmlluxq.fsf@yahoo.com> <87h725olz1.fsf@gnus.org> <8735dplo5d.fsf@yahoo.com> <87zgfxlnw3.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="34413"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 21 15:44:35 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oPlFj-0008nV-OK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 21 Aug 2022 15:44:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41526 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oPlFi-0000an-J9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 21 Aug 2022 09:44:34 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60942) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oPlEv-0008J0-EX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Aug 2022 09:43:45 -0400 Original-Received: from sonic301-31.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([66.163.184.200]:42358) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oPlEu-0002zC-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Aug 2022 09:43:45 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1661089421; bh=+GnWWhwsouTq7Gc2PS2oc8sdRApst0e/UFWWoAOQNo0=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject:Reply-To; b=ZoG7k/Wp5LjkNIPO9Z4OD3QlSoz1n+0iC4eBCTc+DW4MB9dm1fzXJaviVajbKMyvwRBy/ZtDFPQL73egd5prde4aAJy/EAdVtpuwoip52CufNAgikm5ltexxwCuNPXL91x0cD9zB/WdDKRC8D7hl0MHjQR+bWmqbVQmZozIcf6le+XiyxofhoWgO/k+1g4IJxts8m6zqJFDqnHfDUTeOGtJmzaIYJEkxtEL9cTiYP1rsL5dR/Pq6mOhgD+ksRFIe6xtgLaHisNYXIUlAZG3LW1v6hHYgGLnur5wYa5uYecMi9n+yT7oFj1TGG+32ds0UYY/BGvmOLFBjgxK5k9DgNw== X-SONIC-DKIM-SIGN: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1661089421; bh=QNBeHAMNJhS9KR5ispdpkw3lP2DO+5lmMao7d8lT1YY=; h=X-Sonic-MF:From:To:Subject:Date:From:Subject; b=M1pzvh9wa7SEK6PVFzSNb/NurKyNwFUazV1fROQ5D5IY1mogpPBrc231/2JuvUe7eXTR91Inh1PjwrI8d3F62srVvKHsZK2v5L1S7poPpBVqVviGwPknOPGDzGF3NFnOpDBCGV+SUpChZUz8+QdzXa0CSKFb/Uaw9hJTUyMpvE23L82yE4Vacv94W9fpQ5A4parBtrK5tSj8Yw+ie+m8WYdWpIuXtqrbxh4hzWiipCJdXIPxs4v6Z0FUaQaig33Qg3CL+ws7ktH8T6tYc6e7OZ2bNaWGr55CWBWxel5ErsC9ZHkFy9Ysgq6BUg1N4qz3XNVFUphZop9RwQ1F+zjAPw== X-YMail-OSG: dEg0JBoVM1m3vYX7h.88RnuAMk_tUA3SYWG_T1.CLfAEnTHIoVTNZVPkmGUiWlt QC5kDqvxBMa2ZNoshZHh522.wibFLS7HLcM45FweXDuz7yGfy1rMXHO4Ge7lJqRinTn26rONAlea I67CWClBaMIxr3SJijjScMwtf7Wx2qSLrscygBi.7t5ZteyxYP87jBBAB7pzceg9zaKZfp9k7mwC m8zFNB1K59whSIW2USI.BWxkQG5aaT08Ijt.qKsT9Z622dwVjbzTciES3ZdSznHosmFyameUJ.Uy q7hArn4WyH9m5qz9W_4TcJKRYj5GwEW4M2XRj5rFrhuTjwlmrgfaI85UOm8kZqruJHnf2MPi67or oc889nzlhlueJ9UqSCX5RONIdNR_I4y0YXeHDXIeoEkE9roKbZTTteGhSaEmTeuDfCCotsd0HSnC uL1HPEFQx2yyWMDH9F1AuffGhvjZ1bXlV2dSgSDUsgHzFYWmRgjzuE4RYo8LPLs232hqB9L1uHk9 6AQ9zcqLJf_2WDiFpFPmVrWPDy0mJMlVhCTUmjsQw5VLmObTT1C3HNnzbHmAx5x4oX0i5tiu2O9R 6Phhtra5Htyop9FFmoTjrG0o7k6mIeh77Smd8D69dCKp2csQzqoScKJjua4ybJwbZP3LLn6yA9E5 rs2NNkT3hs8w_84wQiEZbsDwzcZ4fX3JkdIneETmseJaVgMk__6Ddaqb4GyktZhRDLHO5bpoCe4l vp24LEF643PWS332td8AZNnL.rJGsQpvpskfE7Gm4_6Ve57VFF1srBZ5uT.EEmq89gYq3dGVQbAH Ob3O1MjzjorcpVF_c7awYFdGE1pBLPl..F9uMa5VUr X-Sonic-MF: Original-Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic301.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sun, 21 Aug 2022 13:43:41 +0000 Original-Received: by hermes--canary-production-sg3-6f58cd9b5-vlgxl (Yahoo Inc. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:293704 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > It shows exactly what I said it shows. It does not. People will use VS Code just the same, even if it used GTK, or MS Windows, or Nextstep menu bars and popups on those respective platforms. AFAICT it already uses native file dialogs like all other web browsers. > They all have to go before we make a change in the defaults. [...] > This isn't about me, it's about the default look. It has to be fixed > before we default to no-toolkit. So in essense, you would rather Emacs crash for our users than look "ugly"?