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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 1f233f0c7eb21e2dbdafa2b051834eba; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 12:31:37 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <83tu6389pn.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 23 Aug 2022 14:45:24 +0300") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20560 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.191.147; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic304-21.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:293875 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > I indeed question the optimistic belief that system-wide conventions > are always better. They might be in some basic stuff, like the outer > decorations of the GUI windows, but other than that... Until the GTK and GNOME developers declare that they know better, and refuse to let the window manager draw window decorations...