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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:296776 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > I think that entire changeset should be reverted. It is not well > thought out, and ion some aspects downright dangerous. The > environment variable is especially egregious: it will affect all the > sub-process Emacsen as well, something that will bite users, a lesson > we've learned long ago with the likes of EMACSLOADPATH. How is setting EMACS_INHIBIT_NATIVE_COMPILE dangerous? > Such changes should not be installed without a great deal of careful > thought and consideration of the different use cases. Which I tried > to explain all the way, but apparently to deaf ears. The discussion has been going for apparently weeks no with no progress. It's easier to discuss code when there's code to discuss.