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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:299191 Archived-At: Payas Relekar writes: > Philip Kaludercic writes: > >> What are we trying to find? From what I know use-package is already a >> very mature package, written by very capable people. I expect most of >> the changes to be made after use-package.el has been added to the core. >> >>> Ultimate aim here is to make use-package to emacs.git, so users have >>> use-package available without any effort. ELPA is just a step in that >>> direction. >>> >>> 1 -> 2 -> 3 is also how Eglot went about and it worked quite well for it. >> >> Yes, but the arrow between points 2 and 3 would have to be pretty long. >> Eglot was an ELPA package from the very beginning, and I don't know if >> the documentation was ever as incomplete as it is for use-package right >> now. The rewrite into Texinfo (which is probably what I had confused) >> took place just before the package was merged into the core. >> use-package will now be added to GNU ELPA with _incomplete_ Texinfo >> documentation. This is my objection. An outdated manual with "TODO"s >> can be more frustrating than no documentation at all. >> >>> From my understanding, ELPA has less stringent requirements for >>> documentation and testing compared to core. Since I cannot commit enough >>> time to complete all the tasks before expected 29 branch-off, ELPA is a >>> good compromise IMO. >> >> Most packages on ELPA don't have any special documentation, most don't >> need any documentation either. Use-package is more complicated, > > All fair points. I will focus on getting TexInfo doc in shape before > making PR ready for review. Should we comment out use-package recipe in > elpa-packages.el until then? As long as the version tag is not bumped, there shouldn't be a release. So I don't think there is a need for change anything.