From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ihor Radchenko Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: The poor quality of Emacs's backtraces Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2023 09:18:19 +0000 Message-ID: <87h6q6j1gk.fsf@localhost> References: <3D901B62-4826-4783-B684-968E6890E75A@gmail.com> <87wmz2j52m.fsf@localhost> <04C7EE32-F6C4-4310-A8B8-FEFF45C6ACB7@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="32335"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Alan Mackenzie , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Mattias =?utf-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 14 11:19:05 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qKEx6-0008DC-Co for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 14 Jul 2023 11:19:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qKEwO-00073D-Gu; Fri, 14 Jul 2023 05:18:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qKEwL-00072i-H3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jul 2023 05:18:17 -0400 Original-Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qKEwI-0006z4-2E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jul 2023 05:18:16 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 32F0D240028 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2023 11:18:12 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1689326292; bh=QNK+QoGfQo6/+JSFkoZATkxTIlSkdbtOe2/bl+7F+kM=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Transfer-Encoding:From; b=DlI4edr81m8sScBJ0k535ZBOVy29FL9XPMuAAbz8qmvih3MQMDO8umPqPuWru43dE ZSQC/QNWdCZD1P86xKnBVW798fWtT1vO5SM0BH0ZXc7wzVIGS+z0W7QUZlIit8a2ci eoMUgxDnjYBMvj/DXJrs2VCHR2xCrVFEqZ4+YwgagHh02JUMt0xnlwTSnxOa308bB/ bPa6RPGH/WS//FtVZjf/X9wG5dU6gsnJykDE0IQTqrnuJrP2rPj3v/UJYAR6VmWc9O meweACus7W7PgfQ5S8vSePyL7jqqzvbI6RfBsBv/pD2+AXQVtvEwTkkhIt+ZxmI4x9 UerQzjFLQvifA== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4R2Qr33wZZz6txf; Fri, 14 Jul 2023 11:18:11 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <04C7EE32-F6C4-4310-A8B8-FEFF45C6ACB7@gmail.com> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.65; envelope-from=yantar92@posteo.net; helo=mout01.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:307860 Archived-At: Mattias Engdeg=C3=A5rd writes: > 14 juli 2023 kl. 10.00 skrev Ihor Radchenko : > >> It would be nice if the backtraces used `pp' instead of dumb truncation. >> Though would make things much, much more readable. > > Not necessarily as it also means that uninteresting data takes up much mo= re space. > Better have a way to expand and pretty-print individual stack frames on d= emand in the backtrace buffer. I am a bit confused. Aren't we talking about terminal output? >> Of course, the `condition-case' created by ERT will still be an issue. > > Yes, and that was probably what really caused Alan's troubles. We could d= o something about that. I think that this problem was left unresolved due to lack of ideas: https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D50629 --=20 Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at